Fair point, I missed the last bullet. To me, munificent's comment reads like a false dichotomy--you either have the Java's problems or C++'s problems. I was poi

Fair point, I missed the last bullet. To me, munificent's comment reads like a false dichotomy--you either have the Java's problems or C++'s problems. I was pointing out that there are other systems that largely have neither--namely that you can have template-based generics that perform better than Java and are friendlier than C++. He may well not have meant it that way, but that's the context for understanding my posts.