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No one mentioning carbon extraction technologies here? Just adding less CO2 to the atmosphere is not enough to stop the trend, we actually need to undo what we
by akie 8y ago
No one mentioning carbon extraction technologies here?
Just adding less CO2 to the atmosphere is not enough to stop the trend, we actually need to undo what we've been doing all these decades and need to massively invest in carbon extraction technologies. Trillions of dollars, probably - about the same amount of what we spent on the Iraq war, so I'd say it's not undo-able.
- D_Alex 8y agoIt is far cheaper to reduce the emissions of CO2 by switching to carbon free energy to a sufficient level that atmospheric CO2 stops rising (~25-50% of current level, different sources give different numbers), than to extract CO2 from the atmosphere.
- akie 8y agoYou are now talking about the cost of the technology, but that's not the complete picture. Switching to carbon free energy will probably work, but it will take longer to get to where we want to go. If it takes longer to stop climate change, there will likely be higher costs in undoing the effects of it. There are already severe droughts and highly unusual weather right now, if it takes us another 20 years to undo what we've done, who knows what kind of extreme weather we will see? However, if we can prevent (more years of) extreme weather and rising sea levels by extracting CO2 from the atmosphere, then the total bill for the whole project will be lower because we don't have to pay for undoing the damage. Additionally, who says that money spent on climate change prevention is money wasted? I'm fairly convinced that these investments will actually create jobs, in addition to preventing disaster.
- TimGremalm 8y agoI've read about this neat process for extracting CO2 from the atmosphere. You place a ultra compact box in the ground containing it's own building instructions and tooling for separating CO2 in to oxygen and building giant structures of the carbon. It's apparently called photosynthesis.
- adrianN 8y agoYou're joking, but producing biochar is actually a decent way of doing carbon capture that doesn't require any fancy technology. You even get some energy out of it. Unfortunately you'd need to plant absolutely massive amounts of trees to put a dent into the trillion tonnes of CO2 we've released in the last 150 years.
- Twisell 8y agoAlso algae could be neat allies. But there we are playing with fire, maybe GMO algae can be engineered to be supper efficient, but at the risk of compromising marine ecosystems.
- knob 8y agoThe fern Azolla already did this once! linky --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event
- twic 8y agoThere's a lower-tech way to get algae on board - feed them the micronutrients they're limited by in the ocean, which is mostly iron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_fertilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_fertilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization
- LawnboyMax 8y agoMIT Technology Review published a piece on one possible CO2 extraction solution just a few days ago. Besides being somewhat expensive, it also needs to occupy substantial physical area. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612928/one-mans-two-decade-quest-to-suck-greenhouse-gas-out-of-the-sky/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612928/one-mans-two-decad...
- acidburnNSA 8y agoBill mentions it at the 15 minute mark [1]. He says he's the biggest funder of various carbon capture technologies, liquids, solids, you name it. He then explains that it's 2 orders of magnitude non-economic and will have to be 10x the size of the current fossil industry to succeed at the rate people are saying is needed. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1EB1zsxW0k&t=900s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1EB1zsxW0k&t=900s