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Moving our privacy advocacy forward to protect Australia and you

21 points by trulyrandom 8y ago

Ultramanoid 8y ago
> FastMail’s business is not directly affected by this legislation Well, they have declared themselves that after the passing of this asinine law, they've lost customers, potential new customers have decided against signin up, and they are frequently asked to relocate to a different jurisdiction. They seem to be very directly affected by this in a business sense. Edit ： Extremely satisfied customer myself, by the way. And I take e-mail for what it is, privacy limitations and all. But worried nonetheless with this sort of thing.
jgowdy 8y ago
I don't get how this blog post helps anything. It seems like they're saying, we did what we can and we will keep trying but we're convinced most of you will just come to peace with it because there aren't a lot of better options (have you actually tried importing mailboxes of any size into ProtonMail?). No thanks. Much respect to the FastMail crew, and as an American I understand what it's like to have your government passing these kinds of laws. But this is WAY beyond what we've done in the US, in that it requires employees to accept being subverted. That's a bridge too far my friends. US access to international email is offensive, but mandated subversion of employees is ridiculous. I really hope for Australia to moderate their laws a bit, just like I hope the US will. But I don't think it makes sense to say "oh well" and keep using a provider in the law in question. Really sucks for the hard working people at FastMail, but I have to say no and recommend that others do the same. Employees of FastMail, has the company considered more internal controls to try to pick up on employee subversion issues? Even if I was conceptually okay with government mandated employee introduced back doors, how do we know the extent of the exposure? What if someone else gets in the same way? It's just way too much to write off in my opinion.

21 points by trulyrandom 8y ago

> FastMail’s business is not directly affected by this legislation Well, they have declared themselves that after the passing of this asinine law, they've lost customers, potential new customers have decided against signin up, and they are frequently asked to relocate to a different jurisdiction. They seem to be very directly affected by this in a business sense. Edit ： Extremely satisfied customer myself, by the way. And I take e-mail for what it is, privacy limitations and all. But worried nonetheless with this sort of thing.

jgowdy 8y ago

I don't get how this blog post helps anything. It seems like they're saying, we did what we can and we will keep trying but we're convinced most of you will just come to peace with it because there aren't a lot of better options (have you actually tried importing mailboxes of any size into ProtonMail?). No thanks. Much respect to the FastMail crew, and as an American I understand what it's like to have your government passing these kinds of laws. But this is WAY beyond what we've done in the US, in that it requires employees to accept being subverted. That's a bridge too far my friends. US access to international email is offensive, but mandated subversion of employees is ridiculous. I really hope for Australia to moderate their laws a bit, just like I hope the US will. But I don't think it makes sense to say "oh well" and keep using a provider in the law in question. Really sucks for the hard working people at FastMail, but I have to say no and recommend that others do the same. Employees of FastMail, has the company considered more internal controls to try to pick up on employee subversion issues? Even if I was conceptually okay with government mandated employee introduced back doors, how do we know the extent of the exposure? What if someone else gets in the same way? It's just way too much to write off in my opinion.