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It's a fucking desert.

by higginsc 8y ago

tyrust 8y ago
I don't agree with the decision, either, but a desert is a biome that deserves respect like any other.
- cf498 8y ago
  I hadnt heard this point of view yet. I never saw a desert as something worth preserving, quite the contrary actually. Afforestation projects to green deserts seem absolutely wonderful. Why do you think its a biome worth preserving? Its places hostile to life. Are there negative effects caused by a lack of deserts? edit: In case anyone else wonders, there would be a negative effect, as deserts are net carbon sinks.
  - zenexer 8y ago
    I’m no wildlife expert, but aren’t there organisms that have evolved to thrive in deserts?
  - roninghost 8y ago
    Deserts hve unique fauna and vegetation. That alone is a good reason. Also deserts regulate the climate of adjacent and far away regions. For example the Amazon jungle is feed by the Sahara desert [1] [1] https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-satellite-reveals-how-much-saharan-dust-feeds-amazon-s-plants/ https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-satellite-reveals-...
  - stuart78 8y ago
    Deserts are often teeming with life. The term refers to rainfall, not population. There are plants and animals equally deserving of protection, and it is worth protecting for the same reason any other biome is. If you look for beauty and balance there you might find it. Covering them with solar panels disrupts the environment and displaces it’s inhabitants. https://www.worldwildlife.org/habitats/deserts https://www.worldwildlife.org/habitats/deserts
    - cf498 8y ago
      > and it is worth protecting for the same reason any other biome is. Other biomes are worth preserving as they keep this planet habitable. I thought deserts do quite the opposite. https://www.environmentalscience.org/deserts-ecosystems https://www.environmentalscience.org/deserts-ecosystems > Even though the plant and animal species that exist in hot deserts are well-adapted to those environments, we know from studies that such organisms are treading a fine line over environmental tolerance; some are even at their limits, according to the IPCC (25). >Both The Sahara and The Namib are extremely hot deserts and in recent years have experienced some of the hottest temperatures to date. Pakistan and Iran have also experienced record dry spells and high temperatures in the last decade. Even semi-arid desert climates are experiencing an increase in hot and dry spells, becoming more parched and experiencing wildfires in areas where scrub, brush and tree cover is more abundant. ... >Evidence demonstrates that the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula alone show increased water vapor feedback, much higher sensitivity, and increased sensitivity in deserts to greenhouse gas emissions. Simply, deserts become hotter and drier during a warming climate with wider implications for the warming climate. However I was not aware of this >Many are not aware that deserts are a net carbon sink, providing some relief from the increase in greenhouse gases. This will be problematic while carbon emissions continue to increase, and world governments will need to do something about it in the future. The discovery was made when researching bacteria in the desert. Research suggests that bacteria located in massive aquifers beneath the sand and in the sands itself, are capturing carbon from the air. In theory, the aquifers could hold more than the entire global population of plant material at present at 20 billion metric tons (or 22 billion imperial/US tons) (33).
      - tyrust 8y ago
        San Bernardino County is very different from the Sahara and Namib. Take a quick look at aerial images and this is clear.
        cf498 8y ago
        Sure, the article I linked goes into detail with different desert biomes. Found the cold desert example in Iran especially interesting. But my question was about deserts in general. The answer I was looking for was deserts being carbon sinks.
  - tyrust 8y ago
    There are a wide range of things that are considered deserts and organisms that live within them. They aren't just empty acres of sand. I'd recommend the Planet Earth episode about deserts to help gain a little appreciation without having to visit one. They occur naturally and life has adapted to them. From a conservation standpoint that's enough reason for me to keep them around.
  - WalterBright 8y ago
    When I was a kid, my family moved to Phoenix. On the drive there, I thought the desert was an awful, brown, blasted wasteland. Later on, I went hiking and camping in the desert, and learned a lot about the desert flora and fauna. Gradually my viewpoint changed and I thought the desert was most beautiful.
bogomipz 8y ago
You sound like someone who has never even visited then. The "desert bloom" is one of the most unique and spectacular things you can see in California. It's actually coming up and it's a big source of tourism especially amongst Californians. Here's an update on the upcoming desert bloom from a couple of days ago with a nice video included: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/21/its-almost-time-for-californias-super-bloom/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/21/its-almost-time-for-c... Aside from this the Anza-Borrego Desert(within the area in discussion here) has natural springs and oases, bighorn sheep which are endangered, there's also golden eagles, black-tailed jackrabbits, kit foxes, deer, falcons and dozens of different reptiles. I would highly recommend spending some time there before dismissing it as a "fucking desert."
johnmarinelli 8y ago
The desert can be a beautiful place. Look up Sedona or Antelope Valley in Arizona.
randysavage 8y ago
This thread opened my eyes a bit... I assumed most people understood desert !== a sterile sand landscape. Here's a photo I snapped from my backyard just now. This is the Sonoran Desert in Phoenix, but much of the southwest is like this. Not exactly a dead ecosystem. https://i.imgur.com/fBkMHBA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fBkMHBA.jpg

It's a fucking desert.

tyrust 8y ago

I don't agree with the decision, either, but a desert is a biome that deserves respect like any other.

cf498 8y ago
I hadnt heard this point of view yet. I never saw a desert as something worth preserving, quite the contrary actually. Afforestation projects to green deserts seem absolutely wonderful. Why do you think its a biome worth preserving? Its places hostile to life. Are there negative effects caused by a lack of deserts? edit: In case anyone else wonders, there would be a negative effect, as deserts are net carbon sinks.
- zenexer 8y ago
  I’m no wildlife expert, but aren’t there organisms that have evolved to thrive in deserts?
- roninghost 8y ago
  Deserts hve unique fauna and vegetation. That alone is a good reason. Also deserts regulate the climate of adjacent and far away regions. For example the Amazon jungle is feed by the Sahara desert [1] [1] https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-satellite-reveals-how-much-saharan-dust-feeds-amazon-s-plants/ https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-satellite-reveals-...
- stuart78 8y ago
  Deserts are often teeming with life. The term refers to rainfall, not population. There are plants and animals equally deserving of protection, and it is worth protecting for the same reason any other biome is. If you look for beauty and balance there you might find it. Covering them with solar panels disrupts the environment and displaces it’s inhabitants. https://www.worldwildlife.org/habitats/deserts https://www.worldwildlife.org/habitats/deserts
  - cf498 8y ago
    > and it is worth protecting for the same reason any other biome is. Other biomes are worth preserving as they keep this planet habitable. I thought deserts do quite the opposite. https://www.environmentalscience.org/deserts-ecosystems https://www.environmentalscience.org/deserts-ecosystems > Even though the plant and animal species that exist in hot deserts are well-adapted to those environments, we know from studies that such organisms are treading a fine line over environmental tolerance; some are even at their limits, according to the IPCC (25). >Both The Sahara and The Namib are extremely hot deserts and in recent years have experienced some of the hottest temperatures to date. Pakistan and Iran have also experienced record dry spells and high temperatures in the last decade. Even semi-arid desert climates are experiencing an increase in hot and dry spells, becoming more parched and experiencing wildfires in areas where scrub, brush and tree cover is more abundant. ... >Evidence demonstrates that the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula alone show increased water vapor feedback, much higher sensitivity, and increased sensitivity in deserts to greenhouse gas emissions. Simply, deserts become hotter and drier during a warming climate with wider implications for the warming climate. However I was not aware of this >Many are not aware that deserts are a net carbon sink, providing some relief from the increase in greenhouse gases. This will be problematic while carbon emissions continue to increase, and world governments will need to do something about it in the future. The discovery was made when researching bacteria in the desert. Research suggests that bacteria located in massive aquifers beneath the sand and in the sands itself, are capturing carbon from the air. In theory, the aquifers could hold more than the entire global population of plant material at present at 20 billion metric tons (or 22 billion imperial/US tons) (33).
    - tyrust 8y ago
      San Bernardino County is very different from the Sahara and Namib. Take a quick look at aerial images and this is clear.
      - cf498 8y ago
        Sure, the article I linked goes into detail with different desert biomes. Found the cold desert example in Iran especially interesting. But my question was about deserts in general. The answer I was looking for was deserts being carbon sinks.
- tyrust 8y ago
  There are a wide range of things that are considered deserts and organisms that live within them. They aren't just empty acres of sand. I'd recommend the Planet Earth episode about deserts to help gain a little appreciation without having to visit one. They occur naturally and life has adapted to them. From a conservation standpoint that's enough reason for me to keep them around.
- WalterBright 8y ago
  When I was a kid, my family moved to Phoenix. On the drive there, I thought the desert was an awful, brown, blasted wasteland. Later on, I went hiking and camping in the desert, and learned a lot about the desert flora and fauna. Gradually my viewpoint changed and I thought the desert was most beautiful.

bogomipz 8y ago

You sound like someone who has never even visited then. The "desert bloom" is one of the most unique and spectacular things you can see in California. It's actually coming up and it's a big source of tourism especially amongst Californians. Here's an update on the upcoming desert bloom from a couple of days ago with a nice video included: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/21/its-almost-time-for-californias-super-bloom/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/21/its-almost-time-for-c... Aside from this the Anza-Borrego Desert(within the area in discussion here) has natural springs and oases, bighorn sheep which are endangered, there's also golden eagles, black-tailed jackrabbits, kit foxes, deer, falcons and dozens of different reptiles. I would highly recommend spending some time there before dismissing it as a "fucking desert."

johnmarinelli 8y ago

The desert can be a beautiful place. Look up Sedona or Antelope Valley in Arizona.

randysavage 8y ago

This thread opened my eyes a bit... I assumed most people understood desert !== a sterile sand landscape. Here's a photo I snapped from my backyard just now. This is the Sonoran Desert in Phoenix, but much of the southwest is like this. Not exactly a dead ecosystem. https://i.imgur.com/fBkMHBA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fBkMHBA.jpg