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Wow.. when I thought NIMBYism in California couldn't get any worst. From here: https://www.sbsun.com/2019/02/28/san-bernardino-county-board-to-prohibit-renewab

Wow.. when I thought NIMBYism in California couldn't get any worst. From here: https://www.sbsun.com/2019/02/28/san-bernardino-county-board-to-prohibit-renewable-energy-development-in-key-desert-areas/ https://www.sbsun.com/2019/02/28/san-bernardino-county-board... " some residents say the prohibition will protect communities from potential health hazards caused by blowing dust, which increases when pristine desert land is disturbed by construction. They also sited the protection of scenic views, carbon sequestration from desert vegetation, and preservation of habitat and wildlife as reasons to prohibit large solar development." Sure, let's have more coal from Nevada instead.

philipov 8y ago
"sited the protection of scenic views..." that would have made a good pun, if it weren't instead the copy-editors just not catching the mistake.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Thank you. Bugged the heck out of me!
stcredzero 8y ago
Wow.. when I thought NIMBYism in California couldn't get any worst. NIMBYism in California has been at the level where one generation basically doesn't give a damn about the subsequent generations. This fits in with the pattern.
JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
They’ve ramped it up to NIMC.
- drdeadringer 8y ago
  What does the 'C' stand for? County? Country? City?
  - koolba 8y ago
    Century.
- tialaramex 8y ago
  The step up from NIMBYs is BANANAs Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything/Anyone.
nerfhammer 8y ago
What did it for me was the time they successfully blocked the hospital helipad, literally killing people. http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/10/15/a-san-francisco-general-hospital-helipad-promise-made-then-broken/ http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/10/15/a-san-francisco-general...
- TomMckenny 8y ago
  I was impressed with the community that didn't want their own kid's teachers living near them for fear it would reduce property values. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/06/turn-schools-into-teacher-housing-bay-area-community-up-in-arms-over-unique-idea/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/06/turn-schools-into-tea...
  - doublechecker 8y ago
    Moving the schools is not required to help the teachers find housing. The community reacted negatively to the way it was presented and the political games being played, including the media coverage which has been mostly simplistic and one-sided at best thus far. Ideally the “new school” site could be turned into housing instead of destroying the center of the community which will require difficult zoning changes (currently 1 home per 5 acres I believe).
    - TomMckenny 8y ago
      This too is "the media's" fault? >will require difficult zoning changes Communities are now too blinded by greed to make these decisions honestly. Zoning decisions need to move to the state level.
reaperducer 8y ago
Sure, let's have more coal from Nevada instead. There are no coal mines in Nevada. You might be thinking of Arizona or Wyoming.
grecy 8y ago
> Sure, let's have more coal from Nevada instead I have always wished that anyone who complains about wind or solar destroying their view should be forced to live with a coal or nuclear plant in their backyard for 12 months, so they can get some perspective. That, or severely reduce their electricity consumption, forever.
niftich 8y ago
Coal-based generation in Nevada (from coal mined elsewhere) does exist, but the remaining plants are in the I-80 corridor, linked to Southern California only through a circuitous routing that's not commonly used -- that energy goes to Reno and Idaho instead. Outside-of-California coal plants that significantly and regularly contribute to Southern California's energy mix are Navajo (in Page, AZ) and Intermountain (in Delta, UT). These are Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP)'s share and get mixed in through them. There's even a dedicated HDVC line [1][2] between Intermountain and Victorville. The coal for Navajo is mined in Kayenta, AZ, and the plant's effects are multifaceted. It came about as a compromise when dams affecting the Grand Canyon were cancelled, and the mine and plant create jobs and lease payments for the Navajo Nation, but it also pollutes land and is used to power cities far away. The coal for Intermountain is mined in Utah, Colorado, or Wyoming, depending on market forces. LADWP has set goals to switch off of coal in the coming years, including considering converting Intermountain to natgas. Navajo's prospects are not good -- they're under regulatory and economic pressure, and conversion to natgas is not viable due to the lack of pipelines to the area. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_27 [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3392214 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3392214

philipov 8y ago

"sited the protection of scenic views..." that would have made a good pun, if it weren't instead the copy-editors just not catching the mistake.

stcredzero 8y ago
Thank you. Bugged the heck out of me!

stcredzero 8y ago

Wow.. when I thought NIMBYism in California couldn't get any worst. NIMBYism in California has been at the level where one generation basically doesn't give a damn about the subsequent generations. This fits in with the pattern.

JohnJamesRambo 8y ago

They’ve ramped it up to NIMC.

drdeadringer 8y ago
What does the 'C' stand for? County? Country? City?
- koolba 8y ago
  Century.
tialaramex 8y ago
The step up from NIMBYs is BANANAs Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything/Anyone.

nerfhammer 8y ago

What did it for me was the time they successfully blocked the hospital helipad, literally killing people. http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/10/15/a-san-francisco-general-hospital-helipad-promise-made-then-broken/ http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2008/10/15/a-san-francisco-general...

TomMckenny 8y ago
I was impressed with the community that didn't want their own kid's teachers living near them for fear it would reduce property values. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/06/turn-schools-into-teacher-housing-bay-area-community-up-in-arms-over-unique-idea/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/06/turn-schools-into-tea...
- doublechecker 8y ago
  Moving the schools is not required to help the teachers find housing. The community reacted negatively to the way it was presented and the political games being played, including the media coverage which has been mostly simplistic and one-sided at best thus far. Ideally the “new school” site could be turned into housing instead of destroying the center of the community which will require difficult zoning changes (currently 1 home per 5 acres I believe).
  - TomMckenny 8y ago
    This too is "the media's" fault? >will require difficult zoning changes Communities are now too blinded by greed to make these decisions honestly. Zoning decisions need to move to the state level.

reaperducer 8y ago

Sure, let's have more coal from Nevada instead. There are no coal mines in Nevada. You might be thinking of Arizona or Wyoming.

grecy 8y ago

> Sure, let's have more coal from Nevada instead I have always wished that anyone who complains about wind or solar destroying their view should be forced to live with a coal or nuclear plant in their backyard for 12 months, so they can get some perspective. That, or severely reduce their electricity consumption, forever.

niftich 8y ago

Coal-based generation in Nevada (from coal mined elsewhere) does exist, but the remaining plants are in the I-80 corridor, linked to Southern California only through a circuitous routing that's not commonly used -- that energy goes to Reno and Idaho instead. Outside-of-California coal plants that significantly and regularly contribute to Southern California's energy mix are Navajo (in Page, AZ) and Intermountain (in Delta, UT). These are Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP)'s share and get mixed in through them. There's even a dedicated HDVC line [1][2] between Intermountain and Victorville. The coal for Navajo is mined in Kayenta, AZ, and the plant's effects are multifaceted. It came about as a compromise when dams affecting the Grand Canyon were cancelled, and the mine and plant create jobs and lease payments for the Navajo Nation, but it also pollutes land and is used to power cities far away. The coal for Intermountain is mined in Utah, Colorado, or Wyoming, depending on market forces. LADWP has set goals to switch off of coal in the coming years, including considering converting Intermountain to natgas. Navajo's prospects are not good -- they're under regulatory and economic pressure, and conversion to natgas is not viable due to the lack of pipelines to the area. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_27 [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3392214 https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3392214