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What would make most sense is just to have it Lisp all the way down. SBCL, top to bottom!

by girzel 8y ago

z3phyr 8y ago
That should be the goal. To please rms, one can always use a GPL language implementation too..
sjm-yc-acct 8y ago
There have been some efforts like this (etc.) for Emacs on CL: https://common-lisp.net/project/phemlock/ https://common-lisp.net/project/phemlock/ I have never been able to get one to work, though. MIT Scheme also has an Emacs 18 compatible editor called edwin written in Scheme.
- rjsw 8y ago
  Hemlock was written as part of CMUCL and is still supplied with it. The portable version is also used as the editor in Clozure CL. What didn't work for you ?
  - sjm-yc-acct 8y ago
    I tried Portable Hemlock from Quicklisp, and IIRC it would not install from the repos. On Clozure, the IDE with Hemlock only runs on OS X--I use Linux. The one in CMUCL might work, but I haven't tried it because they only have 32 bit support for x86. I wasn't trying to be dismissive--I would really like to run Emacs on CL!
    - rjsw 8y ago
      CMUCL will run on 64-bit Linux, that is how it is built. There would obviously be a smaller limit to file sizes than if Hemlock were running in a 64-bit Lisp.
na85 8y ago
Is there a serious project working on this? I'd contribute to it.
- molteanu 8y ago
  I'm in. Where do I put the money?
  - aerique 8y ago
    I would also be willing to donate although the project would not be very viable. It's a lot of work, Common Lisp is not a currently fashionable language like Rust, it would not have support from RMS. It would probably die out soon. XEmacs is one of the longest living Emacs forks and even that is dead(ish). Still, I'd put up some money for this. (This post was written inside EXWM ;-)
    - na85 8y ago
      >it would not have support from RMS. Is this something we care about? RMS doesn't own lisp-based text editors.
      - aerique 8y ago
        I don't care but many follow him[1] which might take a big bite out of your potential userbase. [1] Not without reason since his foresight has been correct wrt privacy, civil rights, etc.
  - sjm-yc-acct 8y ago
    I would work on it for money. My company's website is listed on my HN profile--there is contact info on the website.

What would make most sense is just to have it Lisp all the way down. SBCL, top to bottom!

by girzel 8y ago

What would make most sense is just to have it Lisp all the way down. SBCL, top to bottom!

z3phyr 8y ago

That should be the goal. To please rms, one can always use a GPL language implementation too..

sjm-yc-acct 8y ago

There have been some efforts like this (etc.) for Emacs on CL: https://common-lisp.net/project/phemlock/ https://common-lisp.net/project/phemlock/ I have never been able to get one to work, though. MIT Scheme also has an Emacs 18 compatible editor called edwin written in Scheme.

rjsw 8y ago
Hemlock was written as part of CMUCL and is still supplied with it. The portable version is also used as the editor in Clozure CL. What didn't work for you ?
- sjm-yc-acct 8y ago
  I tried Portable Hemlock from Quicklisp, and IIRC it would not install from the repos. On Clozure, the IDE with Hemlock only runs on OS X--I use Linux. The one in CMUCL might work, but I haven't tried it because they only have 32 bit support for x86. I wasn't trying to be dismissive--I would really like to run Emacs on CL!
  - rjsw 8y ago
    CMUCL will run on 64-bit Linux, that is how it is built. There would obviously be a smaller limit to file sizes than if Hemlock were running in a 64-bit Lisp.

na85 8y ago

Is there a serious project working on this? I'd contribute to it.

molteanu 8y ago
I'm in. Where do I put the money?
- aerique 8y ago
  I would also be willing to donate although the project would not be very viable. It's a lot of work, Common Lisp is not a currently fashionable language like Rust, it would not have support from RMS. It would probably die out soon. XEmacs is one of the longest living Emacs forks and even that is dead(ish). Still, I'd put up some money for this. (This post was written inside EXWM ;-)
  - na85 8y ago
    >it would not have support from RMS. Is this something we care about? RMS doesn't own lisp-based text editors.
    - aerique 8y ago
      I don't care but many follow him[1] which might take a big bite out of your potential userbase. [1] Not without reason since his foresight has been correct wrt privacy, civil rights, etc.
- sjm-yc-acct 8y ago
  I would work on it for money. My company's website is listed on my HN profile--there is contact info on the website.