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I think the point is that man and woman are different biologically in a lot of ways that tend to crop up in their personalities. The interesting thing is many o

I think the point is that man and woman are different biologically in a lot of ways that tend to crop up in their personalities. The interesting thing is many of the gaps in personality traits are largest in “prosperous, healthy, and more gender-egalitarian cultures”. Have a look at the Big 5 personality traits page on Wikipedia [1] specifically the part on gender differences (for some reason the mobile site won’t let me get a permalink to that section.) To back up the gp’s claim that woman are wired to focus more on family I would say this goes a long with woman scoring higher in agreeableness particularly compassion. Compassion is sacrificing things like your own time and comfort for that of others. In my results page on understandmyself.com, which is a big five personality test and assessment site, it states that woman score on average in the 61.5 percentile for agreeableness while men score in the 38.5 percentile on average. This is a pretty stark difference and there is roughly the same gap between men and woman in the compassion part of agreeableness. As a side note people with high agreeableness are also less likely to ask for raises and promotions. In the article it spoke of woman being better at school work and it says woman are more conscientious than men in school work. Conscientiousness is another big 5 personality trait and women do score slightly higher on average than men in this trait they score 51.5 on average while men score 49.5 on average. They score higher on the orderliness part of conscientiousness while men score higher in the industriousness part. Women outscore men in orderliness 54.5 to 45.5 and men slightly outscore woman in industriousness 51.5 to 49.5. The article also says that woman are more anxious about their school work. In my opinion this is probably due to the fact that woman score higher on neuroticism than men. Neuroticism just means you’re more prone to negative emotions such as fear and anxiety. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
All that stuff about the big-5 personality traits sounds about as accurate as horoscopes.
- johnsonjo 8y ago
  Well I'm no expert (not even in the field of psychology), so most of my trying to pin all these problems down to personality traits may not be all that scientific though it seems to be aligned with what I've studied so far. It would be wonderful to hear from someone that is an expert on what I might have said wrong or just to aid in the discussion. As for the legitimacy of the Big 5 from what I've heard the big 5 personality test is one of the better ways to determine personality in psychology. Wikipedia seems to say this about the big 5s acceptance in Psychology [0]. > In a 1980 symposium in Honolulu, four prominent researchers, Lewis Goldberg, Naomi Takemoto-Chock, Andrew Comrey, and John M. Digman, reviewed the available personality instruments of the day.[1] This event was followed by widespread acceptance of the five-factor model among personality researchers during the 1980s.[2] As far as putting personality solely due to being a matter of Sex I am not saying that. I'm not saying all men or women are like this just on average this is the way their personalities are. I feel these differences on average might explain a lot of the things brought up in the article. As an example of not every man and woman having the same personality traits even though I am male I score much higher than the average woman on agreeableness. This just means I need to be more careful when negotiating salary or being taken advantage of, which trust me in at least subtle ways that may not even be on purpose from the perpetrator I get taken advantage of because of my personality all the time. Higher agreeableness isn't all bad for those who have it, because there are disadvantages to low agreeableness too. People low in agreeableness are more likely to commit crimes. It stated on my understandmyself.com report that low agreeableness is one of the major reasons there are more men behind bars (as opposed to women), because they are more likely to commit these crimes. Here's a clip from a research paper about the big 5 traits and crime if you don't believe that personalities could explain that difference [3]: > Big Five and criminal behaviour > Within the criminological literatures, studies have shown that certain traits are highly associated with a wide range of criminal behaviours. For example, Wiebe noted that among the “Big Five” components of trait personality, agreeableness and conscientiousness have been found to be predictive of adult criminal behaviour. Earlier, John et al. found that delinquents aged 12-13 years old who had engaged in burglary, drug dealing, and strong arming behaviour scored lower on Agreeableness, Conscientiousness, and Openness and obtained higher scores on Extraversion than non-delinquents. Heaven found neuroticism in addition to agreeableness and conscientiousness to be predictive of delinquent behaviour. Wikipedia's page on Personality [4] seems to think highly enough about the Big 5 personality traits to feature it on its page. Notice you won't find mention of Meyer's Briggs (which has personality types encoded as INFJ, ESTP, etc.) at all on that page even though Meyer's Briggs seems to be a popular test among non-psychologists I've heard it is not very popular for psychologists. To quote wiki's Personality page on the Big 5 personality test [4]: > Personality is often broken into statistically-identified factors called the Big Five, which are openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism (or emotional stability). These components are generally stable over time, and about half of the variance appears to be attributable to a person's genetics rather than the effects of one's environment.[5][6] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Renewed_attention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Re... [1]:Goldberg LR (May 1980). Some ruminations about the structure of individual differences: Developing a common lexicon for the major characteristics of human personality. Symposium presentation at the meeting of the Western Psychological Association (Report). Honolulu, HI. [2]: Saville & Holdsworth Ltd. (1984). Occupational Personality Questionnaires manual. Esher, Surrey: Saville & Holdsworth Ltd. [3]: http://www.aseanjournalofpsychiatry.org/index.php/aseanjournalofpsychiatry/article/viewFile/269/207 http://www.aseanjournalofpsychiatry.org/index.php/aseanjourn... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality [5]: Lucas & Baird 2004, pp. 473-485 [6]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263324524_Genetic_and_Environmental_Continuity_in_Personality_Development_A_Meta-Analysis https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263324524_Genetic_a...

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago

All that stuff about the big-5 personality traits sounds about as accurate as horoscopes.

johnsonjo 8y ago
Well I'm no expert (not even in the field of psychology), so most of my trying to pin all these problems down to personality traits may not be all that scientific though it seems to be aligned with what I've studied so far. It would be wonderful to hear from someone that is an expert on what I might have said wrong or just to aid in the discussion. As for the legitimacy of the Big 5 from what I've heard the big 5 personality test is one of the better ways to determine personality in psychology. Wikipedia seems to say this about the big 5s acceptance in Psychology [0]. > In a 1980 symposium in Honolulu, four prominent researchers, Lewis Goldberg, Naomi Takemoto-Chock, Andrew Comrey, and John M. Digman, reviewed the available personality instruments of the day.[1] This event was followed by widespread acceptance of the five-factor model among personality researchers during the 1980s.[2] As far as putting personality solely due to being a matter of Sex I am not saying that. I'm not saying all men or women are like this just on average this is the way their personalities are. I feel these differences on average might explain a lot of the things brought up in the article. As an example of not every man and woman having the same personality traits even though I am male I score much higher than the average woman on agreeableness. This just means I need to be more careful when negotiating salary or being taken advantage of, which trust me in at least subtle ways that may not even be on purpose from the perpetrator I get taken advantage of because of my personality all the time. Higher agreeableness isn't all bad for those who have it, because there are disadvantages to low agreeableness too. People low in agreeableness are more likely to commit crimes. It stated on my understandmyself.com report that low agreeableness is one of the major reasons there are more men behind bars (as opposed to women), because they are more likely to commit these crimes. Here's a clip from a research paper about the big 5 traits and crime if you don't believe that personalities could explain that difference [3]: > Big Five and criminal behaviour > Within the criminological literatures, studies have shown that certain traits are highly associated with a wide range of criminal behaviours. For example, Wiebe noted that among the “Big Five” components of trait personality, agreeableness and conscientiousness have been found to be predictive of adult criminal behaviour. Earlier, John et al. found that delinquents aged 12-13 years old who had engaged in burglary, drug dealing, and strong arming behaviour scored lower on Agreeableness, Conscientiousness, and Openness and obtained higher scores on Extraversion than non-delinquents. Heaven found neuroticism in addition to agreeableness and conscientiousness to be predictive of delinquent behaviour. Wikipedia's page on Personality [4] seems to think highly enough about the Big 5 personality traits to feature it on its page. Notice you won't find mention of Meyer's Briggs (which has personality types encoded as INFJ, ESTP, etc.) at all on that page even though Meyer's Briggs seems to be a popular test among non-psychologists I've heard it is not very popular for psychologists. To quote wiki's Personality page on the Big 5 personality test [4]: > Personality is often broken into statistically-identified factors called the Big Five, which are openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism (or emotional stability). These components are generally stable over time, and about half of the variance appears to be attributable to a person's genetics rather than the effects of one's environment.[5][6] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Renewed_attention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Re... [1]:Goldberg LR (May 1980). Some ruminations about the structure of individual differences: Developing a common lexicon for the major characteristics of human personality. Symposium presentation at the meeting of the Western Psychological Association (Report). Honolulu, HI. [2]: Saville & Holdsworth Ltd. (1984). Occupational Personality Questionnaires manual. Esher, Surrey: Saville & Holdsworth Ltd. [3]: http://www.aseanjournalofpsychiatry.org/index.php/aseanjournalofpsychiatry/article/viewFile/269/207 http://www.aseanjournalofpsychiatry.org/index.php/aseanjourn... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality [5]: Lucas & Baird 2004, pp. 473-485 [6]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263324524_Genetic_and_Environmental_Continuity_in_Personality_Development_A_Meta-Analysis https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263324524_Genetic_a...