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Some non state actors started the conflict, and India decided to make it an official conflict. State actors can't really treat these non-conventional forces as
by devoply 8y ago
Some non state actors started the conflict, and India decided to make it an official conflict. State actors can't really treat these non-conventional forces as extensions of the military of other countries and retaliate against them. Well they can but then they risk starting wars. Often these non-state actors do whatever they want on their own, despite their handlers telling them not to do something. If these two countries do go to war it's likely that both will suffer heavily because of it -- Pakistan may not survive but India may be badly damaged. With all the economic issues these countries have they should really avoid getting into something like war.
- writepub 8y agoWhat a convenient non-argument. Would you term Pakistan's willful hiding of Osama Bin Laden [1] as state policy, or attribute it to non-state actors? Now, imagine if Pakistan neighbored the US, and not only hid, but provided financial, logistical and strategic support to a million Osamas, who constantly kill Americans. And on top of that, imagine Pakistan bestowing a "freedom-fighter" label on Osama. Would you consider that an act of the state, in aggregate? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_support_system_in_Pakistan_for_Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_support_system_...
- devoply 8y agoIndia is not blameless in its treatment of Kishmir either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_a...
- writepub 8y agoI don't understand the response. India deserves terrorism now? You swing from "but they inaccurately blame the state" to "they deserve it because ...".
- devoply 8y agoI never said any such thing. You are obviously extolling the virtues that all terrorism is evil. State violence is as evil as terrorism and two sides of the same coin. So you wish to paint a picture where evil Pakistan is the perpetrator where the truth is that Indian government and Indian army has done a lot to provoke militancy in Kashmir and should simply withdraw and all of Kashmir should be an independent state without evils of India or Pakistan affecting the region.
- fellellor 8y agoBut Pakistan has radicalised the population of Kashmir to such an extent that they now want the establishment of an Islamic state under Sharia rule, not simply Independence.
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- Bhilai 8y ago> Some non state actors started the conflict, and India decided to make it an official conflict. State actors can't really treat these non-conventional forces as extensions of the military of other countries and retaliate against them. Sorry but this is total BS. Pakistan as a state is known to support and sponsor terrorist groups including Jaish-e-Mohammed, which was responsible for the recent attack that led to deaths of 40 Indian soldiers. Jaish has terrorist camps in Pakistan occupied part of Kashmir. So even if what you claim is true, the Govt. of Pakistan has all the powers to put an end to these camps but they chose not to.
- devoply 8y agoGovernment of India and the Indian military similarly has the power to stop all of its abuses of Kashmir but chooses not to... Each side is playing its game. They are both wrong.
- xbmcuser 8y agoThe timing of the terrorist attack in India was at the worst time for Pakistan as the Saudi delegation was visiting at the time. And the attack was done by a kashmiri living in indian part of Kashmir that had been abused by Indian forces earlier. You can blame Pakistan but reality is it is India own behaviour in Kashmir that is causing the problems. Pakistan might have supported armed conflict in Indian Kashmir earlier but the current government and people in power are not interested in it. And by the way An Indian Navy guy (Indian claims retired) is in international Court being tried for terrorism in Pakistan. So it is not like India has not been doing the same in Pakistan province of Balouchistan
- hiyer 8y agoTerrorist groups like JeM and LeT are trained, funded and equipped by the Pakistan army. The Pakistani army provides covering fire to them when they try to infiltrate into India. Heck, the very fact that Pakistan tried to retaliate for an attack on - by their own admission - a JeM training camp shows that Pakistan feels as responsible for them as for their own military. Despite Pakistan's claims to the contrary, they are hardly non-state actors.
- kkrbalam 8y agoIf Israel and the united states have the right to invade into other countries because those countries are training and sponsoring terrorism, India has full right to attack Pakistan's terrorist bases whether those are close to Islamabad or not (remember US Seals killed Osama in Pakistan). Historically it is proven that Pakistan is the breeding ground all of the world's terrorism problems.