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Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee. It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for

Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee. It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for dealerships that charge it (explaining why the amount varies wildly per-dealership). Google it. It is NOT required anywhere, and all cars I've ever bought, I've gotten the dealership to pay it.

Diederich 8y ago
Do the other manufacturers include this in their base price advertisements?
- dmitrygr 8y ago
  nope, but they also allow me to negotiate. I cannot negotiate with tesla.com Also, 1.2k is a LOT of fee! Boardwalk and Momentum (two large dealerships here in norcal) both try to charge doc fees around $400, not 1.2 kilodollars!
  - WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
    Just wait for the used tesla market to kick off. Once people start having issues getting parts, these cars will be joining the market for cheap.
  - Diederich 8y ago
    > nope, but they also allow me to negotiate The best (and perhaps only positive) dealership experience I've ever had was when I bought my 1997 Saturn. Saturn was, at the time, no haggle, no negotiation.
sixQuarks 8y ago
Sorry, but that's BS. You have never gotten a dealer to take doc fee off the price. That would be illegal and no dealer is going to do that. Negotiate the price of the car lower? Yes. Take doc fee off. No way. By law, dealers HAVE to charge the same doc fee to every buyer. They may not have to charge doc fee, but if they do, it's the same for everyone, no exceptions. If on some crazy change you actually got the dealer to line item doc fee as $0 on the contract, than they could be in a ton of trouble.
- dmitrygr 8y ago
  read again. they keep it on, and reduce other things, to match the agreed-upon final price. i do not care how they split it.
dmitrygr 8y ago
What other fees can a dealer charge on a new vehicle? Dealers may charge buyers a document preparation service fee not to exceed $65 (or $80 if a Business Partner Automation (BPA) program participant). This fee is not required or collected by the department. source: CA DMV: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/fee_calc/feecalcfaq https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/fee_calc/feecalcfaq

Diederich 8y ago

Do the other manufacturers include this in their base price advertisements?

dmitrygr 8y ago
nope, but they also allow me to negotiate. I cannot negotiate with tesla.com Also, 1.2k is a LOT of fee! Boardwalk and Momentum (two large dealerships here in norcal) both try to charge doc fees around $400, not 1.2 kilodollars!
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago
  Just wait for the used tesla market to kick off. Once people start having issues getting parts, these cars will be joining the market for cheap.
- Diederich 8y ago
  > nope, but they also allow me to negotiate The best (and perhaps only positive) dealership experience I've ever had was when I bought my 1997 Saturn. Saturn was, at the time, no haggle, no negotiation.

sixQuarks 8y ago

Sorry, but that's BS. You have never gotten a dealer to take doc fee off the price. That would be illegal and no dealer is going to do that. Negotiate the price of the car lower? Yes. Take doc fee off. No way. By law, dealers HAVE to charge the same doc fee to every buyer. They may not have to charge doc fee, but if they do, it's the same for everyone, no exceptions. If on some crazy change you actually got the dealer to line item doc fee as $0 on the contract, than they could be in a ton of trouble.

dmitrygr 8y ago
read again. they keep it on, and reduce other things, to match the agreed-upon final price. i do not care how they split it.

dmitrygr 8y ago

What other fees can a dealer charge on a new vehicle? Dealers may charge buyers a document preparation service fee not to exceed $65 (or $80 if a Business Partner Automation (BPA) program participant). This fee is not required or collected by the department. source: CA DMV: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/fee_calc/feecalcfaq https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/fee_calc/feecalcfaq