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I'm very worried about the bees. My theory is that the bees are going to go extinct, and that will be the butterfly that wipes us out. At the very least it see

I'm very worried about the bees. My theory is that the bees are going to go extinct, and that will be the butterfly that wipes us out. At the very least it seems highly probably we'll be in a state of total anarchy in a new dark age within the next fifty years thanks in part to unethical uses of technology.

wrong_variable 8y ago
Relax, bees were already wiped out in some regions with heavy pollution in China, and what happened was humans were made to do the work of the bees - which it turned out was cheaper than depending on bees ! In case we do lose a large part of the ecosystems humans can still survive on potatoes - 2 billion people already survive on rice / root plant , so the only thing lost would be luxury items enjoyed by the top 40% of the human population. Maybe it will push them to worry about more serious stuff like sea level rise ? There is always liquefied cockroaches.
- Iwan-Zotow 8y ago
  and liquefied people
- honkycat 8y ago
  There was this great quote from writer Kara Brown that goes: "If I Need a Gas Mask, I’d Rather Be Dead" I honestly agree with that. If all I have left to eat is liquid cockroaches, I'd rather be dead.
  - pvaldes 8y ago
    I would gladly remain alive for both of you. Would not be easy but somebody must make a sacrify and do the job. As long as is organic and with six legs can be distilled.
  - dec0dedab0de 8y ago
    I think that is just part of the cycle. Life will get difficult, many will die, less people would mean less pollution, and then the earth can clean itself until things are nice enough for people to multiply and ruin things again.
- pvaldes 8y ago
  Yup, human workers seeem to be cheap... in China. And children would be even cheaper. All advantages. On the other hand the idea of eating fruits cultured in heavy polluted areas seem... maybe not our brightest idea.
KorematsuFred 8y ago
Lets not jump on the doomsday train that easily. We are not the first humans to make these sort of predictions. Throughout centuries elites in society have always made such predictions. Gods are going to wipe us out, Gays are going to wipe us out, Witchcraft is going to wipeout, Horseshit on streets of NY is going to wipe us out and what not. Three is a fundamental flaw with these predictions. These predictions are made by people who have no business or expertise to be in prediction business. Climate scientists who make tall claims often have zero knowledge about how the real world operates. I see celebrities crying their heart out for antarctic icecaps and rising ocean levels but I do not see any of them selling off their beach front properties. Fishing companies are not diversifying their business yet. I can tell you fossil fuel powered cars are as good as dead in next 10 years because almost every large car company today has electric strategy. I trust that lot more than research paper written by "experts". But coming back to why these predictions such is because they look at very few random variables that have direct impact on say ocean temperature and then make predictions over 50 years. For example in 2100 Ocean levels will rise by 1 meter. Sure given your random variables that is what the extrapolation says but when you consider 80 years you need to realize that now you will encounter several "low probability high impact" events during that phase. It can include a world war, USA economy tanking for good, California facing massive earthquake that destroys silicon valley or invention of cold fusion cells that totally change our energy consumption. We do no know what those events are but the probability that some event of that nature will occur is ~1. All the climate change predictions will fall flat on its face. Pretty much like population explosion 30 years ago. PS. This is not to say the climate change is something we should ignore or do nothing about, I am only asking for relaxing a bit before jumping to extreme conclusions.

wrong_variable 8y ago

Relax, bees were already wiped out in some regions with heavy pollution in China, and what happened was humans were made to do the work of the bees - which it turned out was cheaper than depending on bees ! In case we do lose a large part of the ecosystems humans can still survive on potatoes - 2 billion people already survive on rice / root plant , so the only thing lost would be luxury items enjoyed by the top 40% of the human population. Maybe it will push them to worry about more serious stuff like sea level rise ? There is always liquefied cockroaches.

Iwan-Zotow 8y ago
and liquefied people
honkycat 8y ago
There was this great quote from writer Kara Brown that goes: "If I Need a Gas Mask, I’d Rather Be Dead" I honestly agree with that. If all I have left to eat is liquid cockroaches, I'd rather be dead.
- pvaldes 8y ago
  I would gladly remain alive for both of you. Would not be easy but somebody must make a sacrify and do the job. As long as is organic and with six legs can be distilled.
- dec0dedab0de 8y ago
  I think that is just part of the cycle. Life will get difficult, many will die, less people would mean less pollution, and then the earth can clean itself until things are nice enough for people to multiply and ruin things again.
pvaldes 8y ago
Yup, human workers seeem to be cheap... in China. And children would be even cheaper. All advantages. On the other hand the idea of eating fruits cultured in heavy polluted areas seem... maybe not our brightest idea.

KorematsuFred 8y ago

Lets not jump on the doomsday train that easily. We are not the first humans to make these sort of predictions. Throughout centuries elites in society have always made such predictions. Gods are going to wipe us out, Gays are going to wipe us out, Witchcraft is going to wipeout, Horseshit on streets of NY is going to wipe us out and what not. Three is a fundamental flaw with these predictions. These predictions are made by people who have no business or expertise to be in prediction business. Climate scientists who make tall claims often have zero knowledge about how the real world operates. I see celebrities crying their heart out for antarctic icecaps and rising ocean levels but I do not see any of them selling off their beach front properties. Fishing companies are not diversifying their business yet. I can tell you fossil fuel powered cars are as good as dead in next 10 years because almost every large car company today has electric strategy. I trust that lot more than research paper written by "experts". But coming back to why these predictions such is because they look at very few random variables that have direct impact on say ocean temperature and then make predictions over 50 years. For example in 2100 Ocean levels will rise by 1 meter. Sure given your random variables that is what the extrapolation says but when you consider 80 years you need to realize that now you will encounter several "low probability high impact" events during that phase. It can include a world war, USA economy tanking for good, California facing massive earthquake that destroys silicon valley or invention of cold fusion cells that totally change our energy consumption. We do no know what those events are but the probability that some event of that nature will occur is ~1. All the climate change predictions will fall flat on its face. Pretty much like population explosion 30 years ago. PS. This is not to say the climate change is something we should ignore or do nothing about, I am only asking for relaxing a bit before jumping to extreme conclusions.