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The context is comments on videos of children.

busterarm 8y ago
In the context of that, I'm fine with youtube's rule, but we were already off on a tangent in the meta discussion and that is clearly not the context of this particular discussion. Go up two levels if you don't believe me. We actually already have laws here in the US about signing up people under the age of 13 for online services and have since the 90s. They're very lax and not enforced. A very large measure that YouTube could take is to hide all comments if you aren't signed in and strictly enforce the over 13 rule in the US (or whatever other rules elsewhere). But they don't do that.
- nl 8y ago
  You seem to be missing the point. This isn't about children making comments. It's about comments by adults about children.
  - busterarm 8y ago
    My point is that if the existing laws were followed, children shouldn't ever be seeing those comments unless their parents are insane and allowed them to...Don't give your young children a youtube account. Youtube can and should add blocking _ALL_ comments to the parental controls. If all of these services weren't being offered for completely free, you could require a credit card purchase to make an account and solve this problem in an afternoon over a cup of tea. That's how simple it is. The problem is that the economics of these services allows and encourages children into these spaces without restriction. Part of being an adult is figuring out how to deal with a world where some of your neighbors are horrible monsters. You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist. If pedophiles want to self-identify, that's great, because it gives us the option of getting them the treatment that they need AND of keeping our children far away from them.
    - nl 8y ago
      It's not risk to children reading them, it's promotion of pedophilia that is the problem. You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist. You don't pretend they don't exist, but you don't let them normalize their conduct either. And that is absolutely what is happening with the previous approach.
      - busterarm 8y ago
        You don't let them normalize their conduct. You loudly tell them how intolerable they are to society. You watch them at all times and make sure they don't harm anyone. As someone who was on the receiving end of attention from pedophiles as a child and who has spoken to many of their victims, you do not want these people isolated in their own communities. You want to know exactly who they are. Letting them speak, which at least where I live is still their right, is NOT tolerance.
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In the context of that, I'm fine with youtube's rule, but we were already off on a tangent in the meta discussion and that is clearly not the context of this particular discussion. Go up two levels if you don't believe me. We actually already have laws here in the US about signing up people under the age of 13 for online services and have since the 90s. They're very lax and not enforced. A very large measure that YouTube could take is to hide all comments if you aren't signed in and strictly enforce the over 13 rule in the US (or whatever other rules elsewhere). But they don't do that.

nl 8y ago
You seem to be missing the point. This isn't about children making comments. It's about comments by adults about children.
- busterarm 8y ago
  My point is that if the existing laws were followed, children shouldn't ever be seeing those comments unless their parents are insane and allowed them to...Don't give your young children a youtube account. Youtube can and should add blocking _ALL_ comments to the parental controls. If all of these services weren't being offered for completely free, you could require a credit card purchase to make an account and solve this problem in an afternoon over a cup of tea. That's how simple it is. The problem is that the economics of these services allows and encourages children into these spaces without restriction. Part of being an adult is figuring out how to deal with a world where some of your neighbors are horrible monsters. You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist. If pedophiles want to self-identify, that's great, because it gives us the option of getting them the treatment that they need AND of keeping our children far away from them.
  - nl 8y ago
    It's not risk to children reading them, it's promotion of pedophilia that is the problem. You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist. You don't pretend they don't exist, but you don't let them normalize their conduct either. And that is absolutely what is happening with the previous approach.
    - busterarm 8y ago
      You don't let them normalize their conduct. You loudly tell them how intolerable they are to society. You watch them at all times and make sure they don't harm anyone. As someone who was on the receiving end of attention from pedophiles as a child and who has spoken to many of their victims, you do not want these people isolated in their own communities. You want to know exactly who they are. Letting them speak, which at least where I live is still their right, is NOT tolerance.

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