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It might be shady and of course some people will despise it but if the net effect is sales increased, then they should do it.

by matz1 8y ago

scarmig 8y ago
Before, my impression of Tesla was that it's a company that has had some struggles but is genuinely trying to do a cool, useful, good thing. After, my impression of Tesla is that it's incredibly shady and manipulative, and I have a great deal of anger at it because this page is disgustingly deceptive. You've got to get a reasonable estimate of how much less likely I'm going to purchase a Tesla in the future, but before there was a nonzero chance I would, while in this moment I feel like I'll never purchase one. That's negative value, there.
- goshx 8y ago
  Solely on the fact that they show the cost of ownership first?
  - scarmig 8y ago
    Solely on the fact that they present an imagined "cost of ownership" as the price, yes. It's deceptive enough--and 90% of people who saw that page would say that the costs of the cars are what's listed on the right column, which makes it deceptive--that it leaves a wildly unpleasant taste in my mouth. And, in my case, it's not even close to accurate: I don't own a car right now, and any purchase would be because I actively like a particular car. The "savings on gas" is a total lie, because I'll be spending nothing on gas anyway.
    - goshx 8y ago
      I find it annoying too, but it takes seconds to realize that’s not the actual price and the price is right there on the bottom. And you can’t really not understand what the real price is before placing the order. It’s not an imagined cost of ownership for me, an actual owner, who just got $7,500 back and pay $7 for 300mi.
    - goshx 8y ago
      You’d pay for gas if you purchased an ICE instead. This is not a savings compared agaisnt what you did in the past.
- sirmike_ 8y ago
  Interesting but after hearing the stories of waiting days and weeks for delivery and for service I think it is best to wait a year or two more to make sure they have all the kinks worked out. The way they are selling these I would hope someone would be looking and clicking on that details button and really looking to make sure it is for them. Does anyone have a good real world average for current wait times for delivery and service? Also wondering what these are for the flyover states (midwest) where I am at vs the coasts.
- Tomte 8y ago
  Before, you didn't know about their meeting sleading (I'd call it lying) claims about autopilot? Where they show a video about full autonomous driving, talk a lot about full autonomous driving and then at the very bottom of the page write in very small print that "some jurisdictions" may not allow that at this time? Where "some" means probably "every one except lawless states like Somalia or so".

It might be shady and of course some people will despise it but if the net effect is sales increased, then they should do it.

by matz1 8y ago

It might be shady and of course some people will despise it but if the net effect is sales increased, then they should do it.

scarmig 8y ago

Before, my impression of Tesla was that it's a company that has had some struggles but is genuinely trying to do a cool, useful, good thing. After, my impression of Tesla is that it's incredibly shady and manipulative, and I have a great deal of anger at it because this page is disgustingly deceptive. You've got to get a reasonable estimate of how much less likely I'm going to purchase a Tesla in the future, but before there was a nonzero chance I would, while in this moment I feel like I'll never purchase one. That's negative value, there.

goshx 8y ago
Solely on the fact that they show the cost of ownership first?
- scarmig 8y ago
  Solely on the fact that they present an imagined "cost of ownership" as the price, yes. It's deceptive enough--and 90% of people who saw that page would say that the costs of the cars are what's listed on the right column, which makes it deceptive--that it leaves a wildly unpleasant taste in my mouth. And, in my case, it's not even close to accurate: I don't own a car right now, and any purchase would be because I actively like a particular car. The "savings on gas" is a total lie, because I'll be spending nothing on gas anyway.
  - goshx 8y ago
    I find it annoying too, but it takes seconds to realize that’s not the actual price and the price is right there on the bottom. And you can’t really not understand what the real price is before placing the order. It’s not an imagined cost of ownership for me, an actual owner, who just got $7,500 back and pay $7 for 300mi.
  - goshx 8y ago
    You’d pay for gas if you purchased an ICE instead. This is not a savings compared agaisnt what you did in the past.
sirmike_ 8y ago
Interesting but after hearing the stories of waiting days and weeks for delivery and for service I think it is best to wait a year or two more to make sure they have all the kinks worked out. The way they are selling these I would hope someone would be looking and clicking on that details button and really looking to make sure it is for them. Does anyone have a good real world average for current wait times for delivery and service? Also wondering what these are for the flyover states (midwest) where I am at vs the coasts.
Tomte 8y ago
Before, you didn't know about their meeting sleading (I'd call it lying) claims about autopilot? Where they show a video about full autonomous driving, talk a lot about full autonomous driving and then at the very bottom of the page write in very small print that "some jurisdictions" may not allow that at this time? Where "some" means probably "every one except lawless states like Somalia or so".