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Page says $26,950 for Standard Range for me, with an * * Prices above include potential incentives and gas savings. Learn More Weird.

gjs278 8y ago
yes, I hate that nonsense. they’re trying to include rebates and gasoline savings. just show the damn price. it makes going through all the options mind numbing.
npunt 8y ago
They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.
- xienze 8y ago
  >It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price though?
  - npunt 8y ago
    Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant of TCO. They provide a good calculator where you can figure it out. I think there's room for discussion about how prominent you make the TCO calculator and the particular copy used in that. This is why I said it was somewhat misleading, because I think it could be better. But I definitely don't think it's lying, that's awfully black and white.
    - camjohnson26 8y ago
      You don’t save any gas if the car is sitting in a service center for months waiting on repairs, which has happened to a lot of people. They should advertise the car at its sticker price. Any extra gas savings should be a bonus.
    - VikingCoder 8y ago
      The price of the car is X. You don't get to SUBTRACT the cost of gas from X. You can compare X to some other car's (Y + Gas).
      - cma 8y ago
        If you put an asterisk by it you can
    - FireBeyond 8y ago
      So if they're all in on being all evolutionary and measuring TCO, they mention depreciation on the car's value, right? Didn't think so. Or the cost of installing a 240 line to your garage? Hmmm.
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.
      - r00fus 8y ago
        I really doubt the Accord would have the same acceleration or features as the M3. And it consumes a decent amount of gas which is more expensive than volts. It's more of an apples+cart comparison. It seems shady because they can't know what kind of car you're coming from - so they average it (in their favor).
        Spooky23 8y ago
        They choose to be ignorant of it. The federal government even publishes per mile total costs for most vehicles that makes it fairly trivial to do. It’s a bullshit metric. They could honestly present the information in a way that looked good for them as well... or even use it as a cross sell for solar.
  - camjohnson26 8y ago
    And it ignores parts of the ownership experience that are more expensive like insurance.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
They do some BS about how much gas you will save and say that makes the car cheaper. It seems incredibly dishonest to me unless they actually let me customize that value for my current car and travel habits, as well as factoring aspects of the Model 3 that can be more expensive (e.g. maintenance)
- npunt 8y ago
  You can customize by clicking learn more. It's under 'gas savings' and has a calculator which updates the price.
  - Rebelgecko 8y ago
    The calculator only let's you set "miles driven/year" and the price of gas. Not mpg of current vehicle. So the results are the same regardless of whether I'm driving a Prius that gets 60mpg or an Abrams tank that gets 0.6 mpg. On top of that, the results will be even more meaningless if you currently own an electric car.
    - usaar333 8y ago
      Electricity costs are also highly variable

gjs278 8y ago

yes, I hate that nonsense. they’re trying to include rebates and gasoline savings. just show the damn price. it makes going through all the options mind numbing.

npunt 8y ago

They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.

xienze 8y ago
>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price though?
- npunt 8y ago
  Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant of TCO. They provide a good calculator where you can figure it out. I think there's room for discussion about how prominent you make the TCO calculator and the particular copy used in that. This is why I said it was somewhat misleading, because I think it could be better. But I definitely don't think it's lying, that's awfully black and white.
  - camjohnson26 8y ago
    You don’t save any gas if the car is sitting in a service center for months waiting on repairs, which has happened to a lot of people. They should advertise the car at its sticker price. Any extra gas savings should be a bonus.
  - VikingCoder 8y ago
    The price of the car is X. You don't get to SUBTRACT the cost of gas from X. You can compare X to some other car's (Y + Gas).
    - cma 8y ago
      If you put an asterisk by it you can
  - FireBeyond 8y ago
    So if they're all in on being all evolutionary and measuring TCO, they mention depreciation on the car's value, right? Didn't think so. Or the cost of installing a 240 line to your garage? Hmmm.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.
    - r00fus 8y ago
      I really doubt the Accord would have the same acceleration or features as the M3. And it consumes a decent amount of gas which is more expensive than volts. It's more of an apples+cart comparison. It seems shady because they can't know what kind of car you're coming from - so they average it (in their favor).
      - Spooky23 8y ago
        They choose to be ignorant of it. The federal government even publishes per mile total costs for most vehicles that makes it fairly trivial to do. It’s a bullshit metric. They could honestly present the information in a way that looked good for them as well... or even use it as a cross sell for solar.
- camjohnson26 8y ago
  And it ignores parts of the ownership experience that are more expensive like insurance.

Rebelgecko 8y ago

They do some BS about how much gas you will save and say that makes the car cheaper. It seems incredibly dishonest to me unless they actually let me customize that value for my current car and travel habits, as well as factoring aspects of the Model 3 that can be more expensive (e.g. maintenance)

npunt 8y ago
You can customize by clicking learn more. It's under 'gas savings' and has a calculator which updates the price.
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  The calculator only let's you set "miles driven/year" and the price of gas. Not mpg of current vehicle. So the results are the same regardless of whether I'm driving a Prius that gets 60mpg or an Abrams tank that gets 0.6 mpg. On top of that, the results will be even more meaningless if you currently own an electric car.
  - usaar333 8y ago
    Electricity costs are also highly variable