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Legit: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-price-lower-cost-elon-musk-news https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-pr...

by npunt 8y ago

Legit: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-price-lower-cost-elon-musk-news https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245165/tesla-model-3-pr... New Prices Cheap Interior Standard Range (220mi) - $35k Partial Premium Interior Standard Range Plus (240mi) - $37k Premium Interiors Mid Range (264mi) - $40k Long Range (325mi) - $43k Dual Motor Long Range (310mi) - $47k Dual Motor Performance (310mi) - $58k

VikingCoder 8y ago
Page says $26,950 for Standard Range for me, with an * * Prices above include potential incentives and gas savings. Learn More Weird.
- gjs278 8y ago
  yes, I hate that nonsense. they’re trying to include rebates and gasoline savings. just show the damn price. it makes going through all the options mind numbing.
- npunt 8y ago
  They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.
  - xienze 8y ago
    >It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price though?
    - npunt 8y ago
      Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant of TCO. They provide a good calculator where you can figure it out. I think there's room for discussion about how prominent you make the TCO calculator and the particular copy used in that. This is why I said it was somewhat misleading, because I think it could be better. But I definitely don't think it's lying, that's awfully black and white.
      - camjohnson26 8y ago
        You don’t save any gas if the car is sitting in a service center for months waiting on repairs, which has happened to a lot of people. They should advertise the car at its sticker price. Any extra gas savings should be a bonus.
      - VikingCoder 8y ago
        The price of the car is X. You don't get to SUBTRACT the cost of gas from X. You can compare X to some other car's (Y + Gas).
        cma 8y ago
        If you put an asterisk by it you can
      - FireBeyond 8y ago
        So if they're all in on being all evolutionary and measuring TCO, they mention depreciation on the car's value, right? Didn't think so. Or the cost of installing a 240 line to your garage? Hmmm.
      - Spooky23 8y ago
        It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  They do some BS about how much gas you will save and say that makes the car cheaper. It seems incredibly dishonest to me unless they actually let me customize that value for my current car and travel habits, as well as factoring aspects of the Model 3 that can be more expensive (e.g. maintenance)
  - npunt 8y ago
    You can customize by clicking learn more. It's under 'gas savings' and has a calculator which updates the price.
    - Rebelgecko 8y ago
      The calculator only let's you set "miles driven/year" and the price of gas. Not mpg of current vehicle. So the results are the same regardless of whether I'm driving a Prius that gets 60mpg or an Abrams tank that gets 0.6 mpg. On top of that, the results will be even more meaningless if you currently own an electric car.
      - usaar333 8y ago
        Electricity costs are also highly variable
fullshark 8y ago
> The company says it is shifting all sales worldwide to online only, so you’ll no longer be able to buy a car in one of the company’s stores. By moving all sales online, Tesla says it will be able to lower the price of its cars by 6 percent, which is how it was able to finally get to the $35,000 price point. > As a result of this change Tesla says it will be “winding down many of our stores.” Buried lede here
codeulike 8y ago
So presumably they are hoping many $35k buyers will be tempted by the $37k which presumably has a better margin for Tesla
- ivalm 8y ago
  Yup, the availability of "nice feature for 2-4k more" really drags up the price. I started looking at $35k, ended up wanting the $47k.. but that's a $12k increase...
- bowmessage 8y ago
  Especially if the range limit continues to be imposed only by the car's software.
  - doctorhandshake 8y ago
    From what I was told at the dealer, the software range limit was only on the Model S produced during a certain span of time and now all long-range Teslas have larger batteries than their stock counterparts.
    - cma 8y ago
      There was an X too and a second different Model S with it.
- pcurve 8y ago
  I don't think anyone will actually buy $35k model. They made it so undesirable that it's almost laughable. Reminds me of 2004 Honda Accord DX model with $16995 with roll-up manual windows, plastic hub caps and manual tranny that hardly anyone bought. Most will opt for $40k premium model. Though 37k is much better value, it's missing the core features that tickle fancy of Tesla buyers. Standard Interior Includes: Manual seat and steering adjustment Cloth seats and base trim Basic audio Standard maps and navigation Center console with storage and 4 USB ports Partial Premium Interior Includes: 12-way power adjustable heated front seats Premium seat material and trim Upgraded audio – immersive sound Standard maps & navigation LED fog lamps Center console with storage, 4 USB ports and docking for 2 smartphones Premium Interior Also Adds: rear heated seats Premium audio – 14 speakers, 1 subwoofer, 2 amps, and immersive sound Satellite-view maps with live traffic visualization and navigation In-car internet streaming music & media Internet browser Location-aware automatic garage door opener

by npunt 8y ago

VikingCoder 8y ago

Page says $26,950 for Standard Range for me, with an * * Prices above include potential incentives and gas savings. Learn More Weird.

gjs278 8y ago
yes, I hate that nonsense. they’re trying to include rebates and gasoline savings. just show the damn price. it makes going through all the options mind numbing.
npunt 8y ago
They've been doing that for a long time, trying to explain in TCO terms instead of sticker price. It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale.
- xienze 8y ago
  >It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price though?
  - npunt 8y ago
    Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant of TCO. They provide a good calculator where you can figure it out. I think there's room for discussion about how prominent you make the TCO calculator and the particular copy used in that. This is why I said it was somewhat misleading, because I think it could be better. But I definitely don't think it's lying, that's awfully black and white.
    - camjohnson26 8y ago
      You don’t save any gas if the car is sitting in a service center for months waiting on repairs, which has happened to a lot of people. They should advertise the car at its sticker price. Any extra gas savings should be a bonus.
    - VikingCoder 8y ago
      The price of the car is X. You don't get to SUBTRACT the cost of gas from X. You can compare X to some other car's (Y + Gas).
      - cma 8y ago
        If you put an asterisk by it you can
    - FireBeyond 8y ago
      So if they're all in on being all evolutionary and measuring TCO, they mention depreciation on the car's value, right? Didn't think so. Or the cost of installing a 240 line to your garage? Hmmm.
    - Spooky23 8y ago
      It’s lying because it’s not an apples to apples comparison. You can buy a similarly equipped Honda Accord for $10k less without all of the Tesla drama.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
They do some BS about how much gas you will save and say that makes the car cheaper. It seems incredibly dishonest to me unless they actually let me customize that value for my current car and travel habits, as well as factoring aspects of the Model 3 that can be more expensive (e.g. maintenance)
- npunt 8y ago
  You can customize by clicking learn more. It's under 'gas savings' and has a calculator which updates the price.
  - Rebelgecko 8y ago
    The calculator only let's you set "miles driven/year" and the price of gas. Not mpg of current vehicle. So the results are the same regardless of whether I'm driving a Prius that gets 60mpg or an Abrams tank that gets 0.6 mpg. On top of that, the results will be even more meaningless if you currently own an electric car.
    - usaar333 8y ago
      Electricity costs are also highly variable

fullshark 8y ago

> The company says it is shifting all sales worldwide to online only, so you’ll no longer be able to buy a car in one of the company’s stores. By moving all sales online, Tesla says it will be able to lower the price of its cars by 6 percent, which is how it was able to finally get to the $35,000 price point. > As a result of this change Tesla says it will be “winding down many of our stores.” Buried lede here

codeulike 8y ago

So presumably they are hoping many $35k buyers will be tempted by the $37k which presumably has a better margin for Tesla

ivalm 8y ago
Yup, the availability of "nice feature for 2-4k more" really drags up the price. I started looking at $35k, ended up wanting the $47k.. but that's a $12k increase...
bowmessage 8y ago
Especially if the range limit continues to be imposed only by the car's software.
- doctorhandshake 8y ago
  From what I was told at the dealer, the software range limit was only on the Model S produced during a certain span of time and now all long-range Teslas have larger batteries than their stock counterparts.
  - cma 8y ago
    There was an X too and a second different Model S with it.
pcurve 8y ago
I don't think anyone will actually buy $35k model. They made it so undesirable that it's almost laughable. Reminds me of 2004 Honda Accord DX model with $16995 with roll-up manual windows, plastic hub caps and manual tranny that hardly anyone bought. Most will opt for $40k premium model. Though 37k is much better value, it's missing the core features that tickle fancy of Tesla buyers. Standard Interior Includes: Manual seat and steering adjustment Cloth seats and base trim Basic audio Standard maps and navigation Center console with storage and 4 USB ports Partial Premium Interior Includes: 12-way power adjustable heated front seats Premium seat material and trim Upgraded audio – immersive sound Standard maps & navigation LED fog lamps Center console with storage, 4 USB ports and docking for 2 smartphones Premium Interior Also Adds: rear heated seats Premium audio – 14 speakers, 1 subwoofer, 2 amps, and immersive sound Satellite-view maps with live traffic visualization and navigation In-car internet streaming music & media Internet browser Location-aware automatic garage door opener