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That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemnin

That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior? For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-camps-uighur-muslims https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...

mbrumlow 8y ago
Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible. If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost. In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make it harder -- at all -- for the technologies that are used in replacement. Don't forget the same people who are concerned about human rights were probably the same people who praised other sovereign nations that implemented the same sort of polices. Remember this is a nation, it has other reasons why it might want its citizens data stored within the confines of the nation. To think this was simply a move to root out those who don't agree with the government would be foolish -- even if this move results in such abuse.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  If apple pulled out it at least it wouldn't be contributing to its nations efforts further people may already have incriminating data on their icloud which when the chinese authorities gain access to will lead to their detention, torture, and death. Further having inherited your relatively easy position in your chair perhaps you ought properly to feel obligated to use said privileges position to help pull others up instead of shrugging your shoulders.
  - Gaelan 8y ago
    Sounds like Apple sent a warning, presumably giving people time to delete accounts.

mbrumlow 8y ago

Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible. If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost. In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make it harder -- at all -- for the technologies that are used in replacement. Don't forget the same people who are concerned about human rights were probably the same people who praised other sovereign nations that implemented the same sort of polices. Remember this is a nation, it has other reasons why it might want its citizens data stored within the confines of the nation. To think this was simply a move to root out those who don't agree with the government would be foolish -- even if this move results in such abuse.

michaelmrose 8y ago
If apple pulled out it at least it wouldn't be contributing to its nations efforts further people may already have incriminating data on their icloud which when the chinese authorities gain access to will lead to their detention, torture, and death. Further having inherited your relatively easy position in your chair perhaps you ought properly to feel obligated to use said privileges position to help pull others up instead of shrugging your shoulders.
- Gaelan 8y ago
  Sounds like Apple sent a warning, presumably giving people time to delete accounts.