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> they fear the authorities authorities <- its their country not yours not ours. Do bad things happen there? Yeah probably, but so do bad things happen in what

> they fear the authorities authorities <- its their country not yours not ours. Do bad things happen there? Yeah probably, but so do bad things happen in whatever country people are reading this post from. Clearly countries have come about because people have different ways of thinking of how things should or should not be done. Because of this I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. We(you) anybody can't be the police of the world. If you want to operate in another country then you should probably follow their local laws. Any attempt to do so will probably result in the hero (those who wish to police) to turn in to a tyrant much worse than that we have today.

keiferski 8y ago
> I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. I find it strange when people from one country aren’t concerned with other countries’ citizens. That may or may not justify “intervention”, but we’re all human beings on the same planet here.
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  Well put, and I do long for a day we are all simply just "human". But there is enough bad in this world that the only sane way to combat it is based of locality. Just as I am not concerned so much with what is happening in a home one street over, I am also not concerned about neighboring cities, states and then finally countries. Each of these groups surly has their own set of problems to solve before chasing after the problems of the next. So I chose to start with my self first, then my family and move out from there.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    I'm very tempted towards being snarky. This also is a logical fallacy. You can work on your families problems and opt not to support companies caving to evil dictatorships as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Based on this fallacy we should never ever address any problem larger than what to have for dinner tonight because piddling issues are ever present.
    - mbrumlow 8y ago
      I can't agree that what I stated is a false dilemma. I am simply stating for sake of efficiency locality matters. I am also arguing that they are their own people. And while not all of them agree to be governed in this manner, some large percent probably does. It is silly to medal in the affairs of such.
reaperducer 8y ago
This is very similar to a lot of the "appeasement" rhetoric going around just before WWII.
news_to_me 8y ago
That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior? For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-camps-uighur-muslims https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible. If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost. In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make it harder -- at all -- for the technologies that are used in replacement. Don't forget the same people who are concerned about human rights were probably the same people who praised other sovereign nations that implemented the same sort of polices. Remember this is a nation, it has other reasons why it might want its citizens data stored within the confines of the nation. To think this was simply a move to root out those who don't agree with the government would be foolish -- even if this move results in such abuse.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    If apple pulled out it at least it wouldn't be contributing to its nations efforts further people may already have incriminating data on their icloud which when the chinese authorities gain access to will lead to their detention, torture, and death. Further having inherited your relatively easy position in your chair perhaps you ought properly to feel obligated to use said privileges position to help pull others up instead of shrugging your shoulders.
    - Gaelan 8y ago
      Sounds like Apple sent a warning, presumably giving people time to delete accounts.
macdaknife 8y ago
You should google logical fallacies. Your comment has a few.

keiferski 8y ago

> I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. I find it strange when people from one country aren’t concerned with other countries’ citizens. That may or may not justify “intervention”, but we’re all human beings on the same planet here.

mbrumlow 8y ago
Well put, and I do long for a day we are all simply just "human". But there is enough bad in this world that the only sane way to combat it is based of locality. Just as I am not concerned so much with what is happening in a home one street over, I am also not concerned about neighboring cities, states and then finally countries. Each of these groups surly has their own set of problems to solve before chasing after the problems of the next. So I chose to start with my self first, then my family and move out from there.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  I'm very tempted towards being snarky. This also is a logical fallacy. You can work on your families problems and opt not to support companies caving to evil dictatorships as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Based on this fallacy we should never ever address any problem larger than what to have for dinner tonight because piddling issues are ever present.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    I can't agree that what I stated is a false dilemma. I am simply stating for sake of efficiency locality matters. I am also arguing that they are their own people. And while not all of them agree to be governed in this manner, some large percent probably does. It is silly to medal in the affairs of such.

reaperducer 8y ago

This is very similar to a lot of the "appeasement" rhetoric going around just before WWII.

news_to_me 8y ago

That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior? For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-camps-uighur-muslims https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...

mbrumlow 8y ago
Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible. If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost. In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make it harder -- at all -- for the technologies that are used in replacement. Don't forget the same people who are concerned about human rights were probably the same people who praised other sovereign nations that implemented the same sort of polices. Remember this is a nation, it has other reasons why it might want its citizens data stored within the confines of the nation. To think this was simply a move to root out those who don't agree with the government would be foolish -- even if this move results in such abuse.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  If apple pulled out it at least it wouldn't be contributing to its nations efforts further people may already have incriminating data on their icloud which when the chinese authorities gain access to will lead to their detention, torture, and death. Further having inherited your relatively easy position in your chair perhaps you ought properly to feel obligated to use said privileges position to help pull others up instead of shrugging your shoulders.
  - Gaelan 8y ago
    Sounds like Apple sent a warning, presumably giving people time to delete accounts.

macdaknife 8y ago

You should google logical fallacies. Your comment has a few.