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Honest question: Has there ever been an example of mass internment, non-activists "disappearing" and other things like we're seeing in Xinjiang that wasn't fol

Honest question: Has there ever been an example of mass internment, non-activists "disappearing" and other things like we're seeing in Xinjiang that wasn't followed by genocide? Edit: Genocide is probably the wrong word but the point is that events like we're seeing in China tend to be followed by other event that leave a lot of people who'd done nothing wrong dead.

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maxxxxx 8y ago
The internment of Japanese people in the US during WW2 didn't lead to genocide but that's probably an exception.
- nipponese 8y ago
  Americans of Japanese ancestry.
  - teachrdan 8y ago
    Relevant username
  - Retric 8y ago
    That’s a fairly nominal way of defining ethnicity. However, it was not limited to just Americans. Oddly, in Hawaii, where 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were also interned.
    - loeg 8y ago
      Not limited to, no, but the majority interned were US citizens. Yes, the internment was mostly limited to west coast mainlanders; Hawaii's economy would have fallen over if its Japanese-American population was interned.
  - loeg 8y ago
    About 2/3 citizens, 1/3 non-citizens. I'm not sure how much of the latter group were permanent residents or intending to become citizens. Certainly, the majority were Americans.
- gumby 8y ago
  Only a small number of Japanese became US POWs before the end of hostilities. However the US did put a large percentage of their own citizens of Japanese origin into concentration camps, which I think is the case you're talking about. Almost all of them survived and left the camps at the end of the war though most lost their homes and businesses. I wouldn't call that "genocide" per se, simply a basic violation of human rights.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    "I wouldn't call that "genocide" per se, simply a basic violation of human rights." I think that's what I wrote.
    - gumby 8y ago
      You wrote about the imprisonment of Japanese people (PoWs). I wrote about Americans put in concentration camps during the war.
      - maxxxxx 8y ago
        To improve the discussion even more let's be really pedantic and say "US citizens" since technically all people in South America and North America are Americans. I also don't know where I mentioned POWs.
      - philwelch 8y ago
        For a variety of reasons, the United States didn't end up with very many Japanese prisoners of war.
natechols 8y ago
I think "ethnic cleansing" would be a very appropriate term for what is happening right now.
michaelmrose 8y ago
It's already a slow moving genocide. The number of transplants vastly outstrips the number of voluntary donors. The difference is people that have been locked up the majority for political reasons. They are disassembling people for parts.
- notimetorelax 8y ago
  This sounds horrible, do you have references to support this?
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2016/05/09/chinas-terrible-transplant-secret/ https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2016/05/09/chinas-terri... https://press.endtransplantabuse.org/ https://press.endtransplantabuse.org/ Please see articles from the wall street journal, new york times, cnn, guardian, et al. We are in the midst of a slow motion holocaust in which we are buying container ships full of goods from the nazis.
ignoramous 8y ago
Reminds me of Pogroms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom The worse one of which happened in Iasi, Romania in 1941. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom And here's one to have happened in recent memory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_pogrom
philwelch 8y ago
It's not an "event", it's an inherent part of the Leninist or Maoist political system. China is using it in a targeted way, to integrate a specific cultural minority in a specific region, but like most communist countries, they've done plenty of the same thing to basically everyone else already.

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maxxxxx 8y ago

The internment of Japanese people in the US during WW2 didn't lead to genocide but that's probably an exception.

nipponese 8y ago
Americans of Japanese ancestry.
- teachrdan 8y ago
  Relevant username
- Retric 8y ago
  That’s a fairly nominal way of defining ethnicity. However, it was not limited to just Americans. Oddly, in Hawaii, where 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were also interned.
  - loeg 8y ago
    Not limited to, no, but the majority interned were US citizens. Yes, the internment was mostly limited to west coast mainlanders; Hawaii's economy would have fallen over if its Japanese-American population was interned.
- loeg 8y ago
  About 2/3 citizens, 1/3 non-citizens. I'm not sure how much of the latter group were permanent residents or intending to become citizens. Certainly, the majority were Americans.
gumby 8y ago
Only a small number of Japanese became US POWs before the end of hostilities. However the US did put a large percentage of their own citizens of Japanese origin into concentration camps, which I think is the case you're talking about. Almost all of them survived and left the camps at the end of the war though most lost their homes and businesses. I wouldn't call that "genocide" per se, simply a basic violation of human rights.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  "I wouldn't call that "genocide" per se, simply a basic violation of human rights." I think that's what I wrote.
  - gumby 8y ago
    You wrote about the imprisonment of Japanese people (PoWs). I wrote about Americans put in concentration camps during the war.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      To improve the discussion even more let's be really pedantic and say "US citizens" since technically all people in South America and North America are Americans. I also don't know where I mentioned POWs.
    - philwelch 8y ago
      For a variety of reasons, the United States didn't end up with very many Japanese prisoners of war.

natechols 8y ago

I think "ethnic cleansing" would be a very appropriate term for what is happening right now.

michaelmrose 8y ago

It's already a slow moving genocide. The number of transplants vastly outstrips the number of voluntary donors. The difference is people that have been locked up the majority for political reasons. They are disassembling people for parts.

notimetorelax 8y ago
This sounds horrible, do you have references to support this?
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2016/05/09/chinas-terrible-transplant-secret/ https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2016/05/09/chinas-terri... https://press.endtransplantabuse.org/ https://press.endtransplantabuse.org/ Please see articles from the wall street journal, new york times, cnn, guardian, et al. We are in the midst of a slow motion holocaust in which we are buying container ships full of goods from the nazis.

ignoramous 8y ago

Reminds me of Pogroms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom The worse one of which happened in Iasi, Romania in 1941. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom And here's one to have happened in recent memory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_pogrom

philwelch 8y ago

It's not an "event", it's an inherent part of the Leninist or Maoist political system. China is using it in a targeted way, to integrate a specific cultural minority in a specific region, but like most communist countries, they've done plenty of the same thing to basically everyone else already.