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That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

by goshx 8y ago

saagarjha 8y ago
For what? They haven't done anything illegal.
- goshx 8y ago
  I just believe there should be no tolerance for pedophiles. If someone is behaving as a sexual predator online, you ought to suspect that's what they actually are.
  - lucb1e 8y ago
    > no tolerance for pedophiles. Note that this is different from: > sexual predator The former is an ill person; the latter a criminal. Your call for no tolerance for anyone with a certain disease, no matter whether they know it's unacceptable and can cope with suppressing it, is a little too broad in my opinion.
ceejayoz 8y ago
I doubt a creepy comment is sufficient probable cause to open an investigation, barring other indicators.
- goshx 8y ago
  A google search has been sufficient before. Remember the pressure cooker and backpacks search from a family in New York?
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    A Google search was not sufficient in that case. The guy's employer tipped them off after firing him - it wasn't some sort of automated keyword monitoring at Google. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/312599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/governm...
    - goshx 8y ago
      The search alone wasn't sufficient, but was enough to start it all. In YouTube's cases, there are plenty of comments that demonstrate someone is a sexual predator. In my view, if someone "tipped them off", it would be the exact same scenario.
      - ceejayoz 8y ago
        "A random person on the internet is posting creepy comments" is likely not probable cause, especially as you'd have to convince someone national like the FBI to care without a specific location. "Someone I know personally is posting creepy comments, and I've always gotten a bad vibe about their interactions with kids" is probably enough to get local cops interested enough to knock on a door.
        jjjensen90 8y ago
        I hope not. Unless there is evidence of a crime that has occurred or evidence that a crime is planned, they have no business (constitutionally) bothering a citizen based on that kind of tip. This is how lives are ruined when there are no victims.
Dirlewanger 8y ago
Go live in the UK if you want the state to engage in those kinds of wasteful endeavors.
jjjensen90 8y ago
This is an extremely dangerous tendency we have as a society, to throw out the concepts of freedom and due process and justice when children are involved. There's 0 reason to "investigate" someone that leaves a pervy comment on a kid's video, and they're free to have whatever fantasies they want. Anything coming close to investigating someone for something like that is too close to the thought police and sounds like 3rd world Big Brother crap.

That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

by goshx 8y ago

That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

saagarjha 8y ago

For what? They haven't done anything illegal.

goshx 8y ago
I just believe there should be no tolerance for pedophiles. If someone is behaving as a sexual predator online, you ought to suspect that's what they actually are.
- lucb1e 8y ago
  > no tolerance for pedophiles. Note that this is different from: > sexual predator The former is an ill person; the latter a criminal. Your call for no tolerance for anyone with a certain disease, no matter whether they know it's unacceptable and can cope with suppressing it, is a little too broad in my opinion.

ceejayoz 8y ago

I doubt a creepy comment is sufficient probable cause to open an investigation, barring other indicators.

goshx 8y ago
A google search has been sufficient before. Remember the pressure cooker and backpacks search from a family in New York?
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  A Google search was not sufficient in that case. The guy's employer tipped them off after firing him - it wasn't some sort of automated keyword monitoring at Google. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/312599/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/governm...
  - goshx 8y ago
    The search alone wasn't sufficient, but was enough to start it all. In YouTube's cases, there are plenty of comments that demonstrate someone is a sexual predator. In my view, if someone "tipped them off", it would be the exact same scenario.
    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      "A random person on the internet is posting creepy comments" is likely not probable cause, especially as you'd have to convince someone national like the FBI to care without a specific location. "Someone I know personally is posting creepy comments, and I've always gotten a bad vibe about their interactions with kids" is probably enough to get local cops interested enough to knock on a door.
      - jjjensen90 8y ago
        I hope not. Unless there is evidence of a crime that has occurred or evidence that a crime is planned, they have no business (constitutionally) bothering a citizen based on that kind of tip. This is how lives are ruined when there are no victims.

Dirlewanger 8y ago

Go live in the UK if you want the state to engage in those kinds of wasteful endeavors.

jjjensen90 8y ago

This is an extremely dangerous tendency we have as a society, to throw out the concepts of freedom and due process and justice when children are involved. There's 0 reason to "investigate" someone that leaves a pervy comment on a kid's video, and they're free to have whatever fantasies they want. Anything coming close to investigating someone for something like that is too close to the thought police and sounds like 3rd world Big Brother crap.