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And it's starting, can't wait until Elsevier is bankrupt. Parasites.

by zouhair 8y ago

lenticular 8y ago
They have a >40% profit margin, so it would take a lot to bankrupt those bastards.
- slimshady94 8y ago
  Does anybody who actually works at Elsevier ever read these HN threads?
  - m31415 8y ago
    Even if they don't read HN, I'm sure Elsevier execs know about the general discontent against costly journals. There have been numerous campaigns [1] to boycott journals published by Elsevier. [1]: http://thecostofknowledge.com http://thecostofknowledge.com
  - CamperBob2 8y ago
    I can't find it now, but yes, someone from either Elsevier or Springer actually did spend some time on HN a while ago -- within the last year IIRC -- defending their business model and practices. It was a valiant effort, let's put it that way.
  - sofaofthedamned 8y ago
    I interviewed with them in Oxford UK. The tech people there don't have a clue about the stress they cause the academic community. Only reason I knew is because my wife is an ex-academic. It is interesting however how there is never any astroturfing from their side, which would suggest even they know their position is utter toss and a drain on society.
  - yagadwyer 8y ago
    I do! But I’m just a dev there.
  - canjobear 8y ago
    We've occasionally had people defending them who I suspect worked for them.
  - Vinnl 8y ago
    I spoke with a couple of devs from there who did read HN - though I'm not sure if they also read these threads. They weren't too enthusiastic about them anyway. There's also MrGunn, one of the founders of Mendeley, who occasionally drops in, and though he mostly comments just to correct errors and misconceptions about Elsevier (dreadful as their holding back of science is, people can sometimes take some liberty with reality), he's pretty reasonable. And I've been approached by one of their recruiters once, despite publicly working on dampening their influence for quite a while now - not sure if that counts :P
z2 8y ago
But how else can they pay for their beautiful open floor plan offices? Standing bicycle desks! Developers, QA professionals, even DBAs! Informal discussions! Beer-o-clock and hack days! From the promotional video anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSPUc70z_Cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSPUc70z_Cc Edit: it could be worse. For kicks, I looked up Goldman's recruiting video, and it was a careerist ego show. At least Elsevier allows commenting and voting on their recruiting videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzNowvBmR3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzNowvBmR3g
- expertentipp 8y ago
  > I looked up Goldman's recruiting video, and it was a careerist ego show. These sterile inclusive environments of growth-opportunity-passion smilling heads created by corporate America are beyond creepy.

And it's starting, can't wait until Elsevier is bankrupt. Parasites.

lenticular 8y ago

They have a >40% profit margin, so it would take a lot to bankrupt those bastards.

slimshady94 8y ago
Does anybody who actually works at Elsevier ever read these HN threads?
- m31415 8y ago
  Even if they don't read HN, I'm sure Elsevier execs know about the general discontent against costly journals. There have been numerous campaigns [1] to boycott journals published by Elsevier. [1]: http://thecostofknowledge.com http://thecostofknowledge.com
- CamperBob2 8y ago
  I can't find it now, but yes, someone from either Elsevier or Springer actually did spend some time on HN a while ago -- within the last year IIRC -- defending their business model and practices. It was a valiant effort, let's put it that way.
- sofaofthedamned 8y ago
  I interviewed with them in Oxford UK. The tech people there don't have a clue about the stress they cause the academic community. Only reason I knew is because my wife is an ex-academic. It is interesting however how there is never any astroturfing from their side, which would suggest even they know their position is utter toss and a drain on society.
- yagadwyer 8y ago
  I do! But I’m just a dev there.
- canjobear 8y ago
  We've occasionally had people defending them who I suspect worked for them.
- Vinnl 8y ago
  I spoke with a couple of devs from there who did read HN - though I'm not sure if they also read these threads. They weren't too enthusiastic about them anyway. There's also MrGunn, one of the founders of Mendeley, who occasionally drops in, and though he mostly comments just to correct errors and misconceptions about Elsevier (dreadful as their holding back of science is, people can sometimes take some liberty with reality), he's pretty reasonable. And I've been approached by one of their recruiters once, despite publicly working on dampening their influence for quite a while now - not sure if that counts :P

z2 8y ago

But how else can they pay for their beautiful open floor plan offices? Standing bicycle desks! Developers, QA professionals, even DBAs! Informal discussions! Beer-o-clock and hack days! From the promotional video anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSPUc70z_Cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSPUc70z_Cc Edit: it could be worse. For kicks, I looked up Goldman's recruiting video, and it was a careerist ego show. At least Elsevier allows commenting and voting on their recruiting videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzNowvBmR3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzNowvBmR3g

expertentipp 8y ago
> I looked up Goldman's recruiting video, and it was a careerist ego show. These sterile inclusive environments of growth-opportunity-passion smilling heads created by corporate America are beyond creepy.