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Lyft really screwed this up for everybody. We had a good thing going where this inane concept was missing from digital ride share. But no, they had to pretend t

by koolba 8y ago

Lyft really screwed this up for everybody. We had a good thing going where this inane concept was missing from digital ride share. But no, they had to pretend they’re doing something “pro-driver” by allowing tips and now we end up here. I’ll never tip via an app. I’m paying for a service and expect the price to include everything. Note that I do tip in cash but that’s done on a case by case basis because I decided to do so, not because I feel obligated.

mchanson 8y ago
So glad you are working on taking down the tipping system. A very brave effort.
- icholy 8y ago
  Can't tell if this is sarcasm.
- duiker101 8y ago
  I find the US attitude toward tipping to be extremely toxic. Any effort against it is a good one.
  - mchanson 8y ago
    Taking action against the victims of the system isn't moral.
    - madeofpalk 8y ago
      As consumers, what else are we to do?
      - astrodust 8y ago
        Change the culture with tools like the $15 minimum wage for everyone, including wait staff. That would make tipping less necessary, if not irrelevant. Other countries manage to do it with no tips because they pay better.
        gambiting 8y ago
        And that is achieved easiest by not tipping at all. If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow then people who work for slave wages(because they get the rest in tips) would hopefully leave and find better paid jobs. People running restaurants would have to increase their wages to keep staff working. Problem would fix itself overnight without any need of government intervention. Every time you don't tip yes, the employee will think "what a skint bastard" but hopefully also think "god, this job sucks I need to find something that pays more". And just as a counter point to your last sentence - waiters in UK frequently make hardly above minimum wage(£8-10/hour) and tipping is neither required nor expected.
        astrodust 8y ago
        > ...people who work for slave wages...would hopefully leave and find better paid jobs. You really have no idea how tenuous employment for people is in those situations, do you? They don't take these jobs because they pay well, they take these jobs because that's all they have. What they're going to think is "what a fucking asshole". Zero tipping is reserved for the sorts of dickheads that leave "Jesus money" instead of actual cash. Minimum wage in the UK sounds a lot higher than minimum wage for wait staff in the US which can be as low as $2.13 in some states. £10 is $13.29, which is a hell of a lot closer to $15 than $2.13.
        gambiting 8y ago
        >> They don't take these jobs because they pay well, they take these jobs because that's all they have. Really? Because I keep hearing how waiters in the US are actually paid very decent thanks to tips. They are ignoring the fact that the employer pays very little because they can at least make a living from tips. That's not acceptable.
        astrodust 8y ago
        It depends on where you live and work. In a busy urban environment where you're catering to people much richer than you, sure, you can do well. If you're stuck in a rural location with light traffic and moderate incomes you're screwed.
    - snazz 8y ago
      It’s the companies that are paying the workers so little that they sustain themselves on tips that need to be fought against. Not leaving tips is not the solution until the workers don’t need the money.
      - duiker101 8y ago
        Giving a tip will just perpetrate the system and companies will have no incentive to change a system they benefit from. Not tipping will cause people not to be drivers because there is no money to make, leaving the company in hot water, in which case they will either pay enough for people to want to work or perish. The US is proving time and time again that the government will side with companies(capitalism, yay) so you can't expect the system to change unless the companies lose money.
    - duiker101 8y ago
      And this is precisely why. If I decide not to tip the driver/waiter/etc... should not be a VICTIM. There should be no morality involved, the person doing the service should be fairly rewarded as a baseline for their work.
- ProAm 8y ago
  Uber started by saying the tip was included in the fare. It was part of their marketing that nothing else was needed besides the transaction.
meowface 8y ago
I don't tip often for Uber/Lyft, but I do always tip for Uber Eats and other food delivery apps, mostly because my condo unit is kind of hard to get to. I find that if I don't explicitly say "Will tip for door delivery" in my Uber Eats delivery instructions, about 15% of drivers won't come anywhere near my door and will just wait for me outside of the building. After adding that line, it went down to 1%. So for me, tipping is kind of just an added cost I have to account for to get the app's actual promised service.
dnautics 8y ago
You haven't been a driver, have you? IMO, I think it was a pretty great incentive to bring up quality of service. Sure, I was never going to make as much in tips as, say, some pretty women, but I don't feel entitled to any of that.

by koolba 8y ago

mchanson 8y ago

So glad you are working on taking down the tipping system. A very brave effort.

icholy 8y ago
Can't tell if this is sarcasm.
duiker101 8y ago
I find the US attitude toward tipping to be extremely toxic. Any effort against it is a good one.
- mchanson 8y ago
  Taking action against the victims of the system isn't moral.
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    As consumers, what else are we to do?
    - astrodust 8y ago
      Change the culture with tools like the $15 minimum wage for everyone, including wait staff. That would make tipping less necessary, if not irrelevant. Other countries manage to do it with no tips because they pay better.
      - gambiting 8y ago
        And that is achieved easiest by not tipping at all. If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow then people who work for slave wages(because they get the rest in tips) would hopefully leave and find better paid jobs. People running restaurants would have to increase their wages to keep staff working. Problem would fix itself overnight without any need of government intervention. Every time you don't tip yes, the employee will think "what a skint bastard" but hopefully also think "god, this job sucks I need to find something that pays more". And just as a counter point to your last sentence - waiters in UK frequently make hardly above minimum wage(£8-10/hour) and tipping is neither required nor expected.
        astrodust 8y ago
        > ...people who work for slave wages...would hopefully leave and find better paid jobs. You really have no idea how tenuous employment for people is in those situations, do you? They don't take these jobs because they pay well, they take these jobs because that's all they have. What they're going to think is "what a fucking asshole". Zero tipping is reserved for the sorts of dickheads that leave "Jesus money" instead of actual cash. Minimum wage in the UK sounds a lot higher than minimum wage for wait staff in the US which can be as low as $2.13 in some states. £10 is $13.29, which is a hell of a lot closer to $15 than $2.13.
        gambiting 8y ago
        >> They don't take these jobs because they pay well, they take these jobs because that's all they have. Really? Because I keep hearing how waiters in the US are actually paid very decent thanks to tips. They are ignoring the fact that the employer pays very little because they can at least make a living from tips. That's not acceptable.
        astrodust 8y ago
        It depends on where you live and work. In a busy urban environment where you're catering to people much richer than you, sure, you can do well. If you're stuck in a rural location with light traffic and moderate incomes you're screwed.
  - snazz 8y ago
    It’s the companies that are paying the workers so little that they sustain themselves on tips that need to be fought against. Not leaving tips is not the solution until the workers don’t need the money.
    - duiker101 8y ago
      Giving a tip will just perpetrate the system and companies will have no incentive to change a system they benefit from. Not tipping will cause people not to be drivers because there is no money to make, leaving the company in hot water, in which case they will either pay enough for people to want to work or perish. The US is proving time and time again that the government will side with companies(capitalism, yay) so you can't expect the system to change unless the companies lose money.
  - duiker101 8y ago
    And this is precisely why. If I decide not to tip the driver/waiter/etc... should not be a VICTIM. There should be no morality involved, the person doing the service should be fairly rewarded as a baseline for their work.
ProAm 8y ago
Uber started by saying the tip was included in the fare. It was part of their marketing that nothing else was needed besides the transaction.

meowface 8y ago

I don't tip often for Uber/Lyft, but I do always tip for Uber Eats and other food delivery apps, mostly because my condo unit is kind of hard to get to. I find that if I don't explicitly say "Will tip for door delivery" in my Uber Eats delivery instructions, about 15% of drivers won't come anywhere near my door and will just wait for me outside of the building. After adding that line, it went down to 1%. So for me, tipping is kind of just an added cost I have to account for to get the app's actual promised service.

dnautics 8y ago

You haven't been a driver, have you? IMO, I think it was a pretty great incentive to bring up quality of service. Sure, I was never going to make as much in tips as, say, some pretty women, but I don't feel entitled to any of that.