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I'm one of the few people who agree with you. I'll bet I can do most things in vim faster than intellicode or whatever the new hotness is.

farresito 8y ago
Java in intellij+ideavim is much faster than in (n)vim, and that comes from someone who has been using vim for nearly a decade. Intellij is just too good.
- cphoover 8y ago
  Been using Vim for about the same length of time... And the times I have used those emulators they just haven't been the same. Does the emulator support VimScript? Macros? Plugins? async jobs like vim8? The terminal is my IDE I can open a file with a couple of keystrokes, run bash scripts from inside of my editor and just as easily be back navigating the terminal. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how intellij improves any of this stuff. I'd rather memorize compose-able bash commands, than intellij keystrokes.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 8y ago
    What IntelliJ gives you is code generation and automatic refactoring to make writing Java less tedious. That being said, the tradeoff is increased resource usage.
    - lghh 8y ago
      > That being said, the tradeoff is increased resource usage. Which for most developers in a corporate or small business environment is 100% worth it. Not ever corporate developer has a nice enough computer to run an IDE, but I bet that at least 95% do.
  - farresito 8y ago
    (Just in case I didn't make myself very clear: I'm talking about Java; any other language is another story, and for that I use tmux+vim) It's true that there are a lot of small things that slowly add up that make the experience less positive (especially if you have used it for a long time), and I often have vim opened in the background precisely because certain things are easier in vim (ideaVim does have macros, although I haven't used them enough to really say how good they are). Ultimately, I've realized that I miss Intellij more when I go from Intellij to vim than the opposite.
mypalmike 8y ago
Rename a class in Java. This includes renaming the files (including git mv) and fixing up all references to it (not simple text-matching - actual parsed declarations). In an IDE, I'm done before you can decide whether it's "worth it".

farresito 8y ago

Java in intellij+ideavim is much faster than in (n)vim, and that comes from someone who has been using vim for nearly a decade. Intellij is just too good.

cphoover 8y ago
Been using Vim for about the same length of time... And the times I have used those emulators they just haven't been the same. Does the emulator support VimScript? Macros? Plugins? async jobs like vim8? The terminal is my IDE I can open a file with a couple of keystrokes, run bash scripts from inside of my editor and just as easily be back navigating the terminal. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how intellij improves any of this stuff. I'd rather memorize compose-able bash commands, than intellij keystrokes.
- fiddlerwoaroof 8y ago
  What IntelliJ gives you is code generation and automatic refactoring to make writing Java less tedious. That being said, the tradeoff is increased resource usage.
  - lghh 8y ago
    > That being said, the tradeoff is increased resource usage. Which for most developers in a corporate or small business environment is 100% worth it. Not ever corporate developer has a nice enough computer to run an IDE, but I bet that at least 95% do.
- farresito 8y ago
  (Just in case I didn't make myself very clear: I'm talking about Java; any other language is another story, and for that I use tmux+vim) It's true that there are a lot of small things that slowly add up that make the experience less positive (especially if you have used it for a long time), and I often have vim opened in the background precisely because certain things are easier in vim (ideaVim does have macros, although I haven't used them enough to really say how good they are). Ultimately, I've realized that I miss Intellij more when I go from Intellij to vim than the opposite.

mypalmike 8y ago

Rename a class in Java. This includes renaming the files (including git mv) and fixing up all references to it (not simple text-matching - actual parsed declarations). In an IDE, I'm done before you can decide whether it's "worth it".