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Well that was political...:) Look it's obvious that you have some kind of grudge against designers. For your own good at least see the enemy you respect...

by Neputys 16y ago

kls 16y ago
Thank you for speaking for me, and telling me what my grudges are. I appreciate it. As a design and development company we sure treat these people that I have a grudge against really well. In fact I believe that my hiring the best of the best is what made us who we are and made me successful. I respect each discipline a great deal and pay 20% above industry and equity for people that stay with our org for more than 4 years. All of them UX, Designer, developer and artist. Just because I know that as a general rule of thumb, one person can not be the best of the best in all three does not mean I have a grudge against them. I have some generalist who are excellent in all three, but they are rare and that is a market reality. It just means I know that there are a lot of hacks that pass themselves off as masters of all three. When the reality is they usually have mediocre skills in HCI if any at all. I have never seen an industry where people pass themselves off as a professional of a field of scientific study, when they have never cracked a book on HCI and have no idea what human factors is. In any other study this would be considered fraud. Just because I know that 80% of designers have no exposure to HCI methods, does not mean that I dislike or have a grudge against them. It just means that they need to either be trained in HCI or not allowed to own that task in my orginization. They are distinctly different disciplines and require completely different education and toolsets. If that depresses you then so be it, but don't accuse me of bias because you don't like or don't know the facts. It is incredulous and a logical fallacy.
- Neputys 16y ago
  "who are excellent in all three" what do you mean by three?
  - kls 16y ago
    There are three recognized formal disciplines in web front end. I have listed them in my posts, ad nauseum. They are HCI, Developer and Artist. They require separate fields of study. The first is a psychological field of study, the second is an computer science fields of study and the last is studied in the arts. Some people cross all three, few do it well. Many from the latter two, lack any knowledge of HCI but pass themselves off as experts in the field.

Well that was political...:) Look it's obvious that you have some kind of grudge against designers. For your own good at least see the enemy you respect...

by Neputys 16y ago

Well that was political...:) Look it's obvious that you have some kind of grudge against designers. For your own good at least see the enemy you respect...

kls 16y ago

Thank you for speaking for me, and telling me what my grudges are. I appreciate it. As a design and development company we sure treat these people that I have a grudge against really well. In fact I believe that my hiring the best of the best is what made us who we are and made me successful. I respect each discipline a great deal and pay 20% above industry and equity for people that stay with our org for more than 4 years. All of them UX, Designer, developer and artist. Just because I know that as a general rule of thumb, one person can not be the best of the best in all three does not mean I have a grudge against them. I have some generalist who are excellent in all three, but they are rare and that is a market reality. It just means I know that there are a lot of hacks that pass themselves off as masters of all three. When the reality is they usually have mediocre skills in HCI if any at all. I have never seen an industry where people pass themselves off as a professional of a field of scientific study, when they have never cracked a book on HCI and have no idea what human factors is. In any other study this would be considered fraud. Just because I know that 80% of designers have no exposure to HCI methods, does not mean that I dislike or have a grudge against them. It just means that they need to either be trained in HCI or not allowed to own that task in my orginization. They are distinctly different disciplines and require completely different education and toolsets. If that depresses you then so be it, but don't accuse me of bias because you don't like or don't know the facts. It is incredulous and a logical fallacy.

Neputys 16y ago
"who are excellent in all three" what do you mean by three?
- kls 16y ago
  There are three recognized formal disciplines in web front end. I have listed them in my posts, ad nauseum. They are HCI, Developer and Artist. They require separate fields of study. The first is a psychological field of study, the second is an computer science fields of study and the last is studied in the arts. Some people cross all three, few do it well. Many from the latter two, lack any knowledge of HCI but pass themselves off as experts in the field.