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Hopefully they will police hate speech and other forms of speech which are rightly illegal due to their inherent intention to infringe on other people’s rights,

Hopefully they will police hate speech and other forms of speech which are rightly illegal due to their inherent intention to infringe on other people’s rights, yes. You can use a hateful platform like Hatreon if you wish to spread those views. Because your freedom of speech isn’t being trampled on, it’s just that civilized people don’t want you junking up their property.

vgoh1 8y ago
Companies need to leave the policing to the police. Also, hate speech is not illegal in USA, nor should it be. It is a complicated issue - everything that is wrong should not be illegal or banned.
- q3k 8y ago
  It is, thankfully, illegal in France, and as such Liberapay does have to police it. Again, if you want to spread hate speech, you'll have to use another platform.
  - gadders 8y ago
    Given that Jean-Marie Le Pen was able to campaign for years, I find it hard to believe it is illegal.
    - fwn 8y ago
      In practice, actual hate speech (the respective local legal norm, not the battle cry) doesn't govern what you can say but how you can say it. Jean-Marie Le Pen managed to formulate many of his statements in compliance with local hate speech regulations. Far from all of them, though. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Issues_and_policy_positions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Issues_and_p...
  - fwn 8y ago
    Most of the time no one actually "wants to spread hate speech". It's a category used to gain power by evoking government backed oppression of ideological enemies. ...and in some rare cases there is also actual hate speech in the sense of a countries respective laws. (Those laws are pretty diverse and far from universal.) In functioning legal systems this latter, tiny set of cases is determined by judges. In other systems it's chosen through other means like corporations, priests, some mob or something. With platforms as the rising way of public discourse courts are unprepared and just hand it off to somebody else. ...that doesn't mean it's the responsible thing to do. People will probably still think that's great until the integrated corporations decide to switch sides and start to promote non-mainstream positions.
gadders 8y ago
Who defines "Hate Speech"? Is Donald Trump hate speech? Antifa?
ancorevard 8y ago
What is hate speech? We all (hopefully) agrees that hate speech is immoral and bad. But once you attempt to define it, and even more importantly, once you get specific and try to police it you will learn how slippery that slope is.
- timtas 8y ago
  There is no fixed definition of hate speech. It's based on du jure norms, which are in a constant state of flux. No person can define or even accurately predict what will constitute hate speech in the future. Therefore, once you accept the principle that certain speech can be made criminal, you are agreeing to accept as permanent whatever future shifts may occur. It is inconceivable that this will not be abused in the future by nefarious political actors.
egypturnash 8y ago
> This site's services were suspended by VISA in November of 2017. You may request to be notified via email should we become active again. - the front page of Hatreon (good riddance to bad rubbish IMHO)

vgoh1 8y ago

Companies need to leave the policing to the police. Also, hate speech is not illegal in USA, nor should it be. It is a complicated issue - everything that is wrong should not be illegal or banned.

q3k 8y ago
It is, thankfully, illegal in France, and as such Liberapay does have to police it. Again, if you want to spread hate speech, you'll have to use another platform.
- gadders 8y ago
  Given that Jean-Marie Le Pen was able to campaign for years, I find it hard to believe it is illegal.
  - fwn 8y ago
    In practice, actual hate speech (the respective local legal norm, not the battle cry) doesn't govern what you can say but how you can say it. Jean-Marie Le Pen managed to formulate many of his statements in compliance with local hate speech regulations. Far from all of them, though. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Issues_and_policy_positions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Issues_and_p...
- fwn 8y ago
  Most of the time no one actually "wants to spread hate speech". It's a category used to gain power by evoking government backed oppression of ideological enemies. ...and in some rare cases there is also actual hate speech in the sense of a countries respective laws. (Those laws are pretty diverse and far from universal.) In functioning legal systems this latter, tiny set of cases is determined by judges. In other systems it's chosen through other means like corporations, priests, some mob or something. With platforms as the rising way of public discourse courts are unprepared and just hand it off to somebody else. ...that doesn't mean it's the responsible thing to do. People will probably still think that's great until the integrated corporations decide to switch sides and start to promote non-mainstream positions.

gadders 8y ago

Who defines "Hate Speech"? Is Donald Trump hate speech? Antifa?

ancorevard 8y ago

What is hate speech? We all (hopefully) agrees that hate speech is immoral and bad. But once you attempt to define it, and even more importantly, once you get specific and try to police it you will learn how slippery that slope is.

timtas 8y ago
There is no fixed definition of hate speech. It's based on du jure norms, which are in a constant state of flux. No person can define or even accurately predict what will constitute hate speech in the future. Therefore, once you accept the principle that certain speech can be made criminal, you are agreeing to accept as permanent whatever future shifts may occur. It is inconceivable that this will not be abused in the future by nefarious political actors.

egypturnash 8y ago

> This site's services were suspended by VISA in November of 2017. You may request to be notified via email should we become active again. - the front page of Hatreon (good riddance to bad rubbish IMHO)