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The question is not the money, the question is freedom of speech. A platform taking a commission is no big deal compared to the fact that it is allowed to deter
by hkai 8y ago
The question is not the money, the question is freedom of speech. A platform taking a commission is no big deal compared to the fact that it is allowed to determine what opinions are allowed and what aren't.
- louhike 8y agoI'm not sure I understand. The commission is a really big deal for people financially dependants on recurring donations.
- gsnedders 8y agoUnfortunately, as long as they're relying on Stripe and PayPal there are 1imitations to what is and isn't allowed: there are plenty of things that US payment processors make hard to deal with.
- fwn 8y agoNot trying to dispute your point, but out of curiosity: Is that actually true? > Donations to [...] can be paid using: a credit or debit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express), a Euro bank account (SEPA Direct Debit), or a PayPal account. Could I send money through my regular European bank without using Stripe to pay on Liberapay? Does anyone know how they've implemented that?
- gsnedders 8y agoHuh, weird. On the creator side, they say: > We currently support processing payments through Stripe and PayPal. From that point of view, they could potentially get stuck paying creators operating in what Visa/MasterCard/etc. consider high-risk categories.
- jelv 8y agoSEPA is option of Stripe.
- gsnedders 8y agoHowever, Stripe is still a US payment processor, and will be subject to the same legal concerns as other US payment processors (such as those raised by FOSTA-SESTA for anyone involved in any sex work). While you might avoid Visa/MasterCard's rules that come from such a legislative environment, you won't avoid Stripe's.
- pjc50 8y agoThe platform has to determine what it's funding, because it's dependent on (a) local law (b) payment processors (c) the goodwill of the rest of its customers. Nobody's going to help someone fund their child-porn-to-Iran scheme, and nor should they.
- Y_Y 8y agoUnless you call it something cool, like "Tor".
- JetSpiegel 8y agoTor is a security tool that might be used for evil purposes. It's not a gun, Tor is not developed so that pedophiles can share child porn.
- Y_Y 8y agoAnd guns aren't developed for murders. But that isn't the point I was trying to glibly make. People contribute to lots of well-intentioned took that contribute some kind of indirectly to evil things.
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