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Since Facebook fan subscriptions recently released. Another multinational corporation tries to claim 30% on the shoulders of developers/content creators/... I
by NicoJuicy 8y ago
Since Facebook fan subscriptions recently released. Another multinational corporation tries to claim 30% on the shoulders of developers/content creators/...
I would rather see a "true" non-profit appear and claim this space. I also trust European non-profits more than American ones.
The platform (Liberapay) lives on donations, supports different currencies, multiple languages, has multiple integrations ( Github, Gitlab, Youtube, ..) and doesn't take a commission.
Which is the first time i see something like this.
Note:
No affliation with Liberapay, it was mentioned in another topic and i found it newsworthy ( Facebook fan subscriptions on the frontpage ... )
- hkai 8y agoThe question is not the money, the question is freedom of speech. A platform taking a commission is no big deal compared to the fact that it is allowed to determine what opinions are allowed and what aren't.
- louhike 8y agoI'm not sure I understand. The commission is a really big deal for people financially dependants on recurring donations.
- gsnedders 8y agoUnfortunately, as long as they're relying on Stripe and PayPal there are 1imitations to what is and isn't allowed: there are plenty of things that US payment processors make hard to deal with.
- fwn 8y agoNot trying to dispute your point, but out of curiosity: Is that actually true? > Donations to [...] can be paid using: a credit or debit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express), a Euro bank account (SEPA Direct Debit), or a PayPal account. Could I send money through my regular European bank without using Stripe to pay on Liberapay? Does anyone know how they've implemented that?
- gsnedders 8y agoHuh, weird. On the creator side, they say: > We currently support processing payments through Stripe and PayPal. From that point of view, they could potentially get stuck paying creators operating in what Visa/MasterCard/etc. consider high-risk categories.
- jelv 8y agoSEPA is option of Stripe.
- gsnedders 8y agoHowever, Stripe is still a US payment processor, and will be subject to the same legal concerns as other US payment processors (such as those raised by FOSTA-SESTA for anyone involved in any sex work). While you might avoid Visa/MasterCard's rules that come from such a legislative environment, you won't avoid Stripe's.
- pjc50 8y agoThe platform has to determine what it's funding, because it's dependent on (a) local law (b) payment processors (c) the goodwill of the rest of its customers. Nobody's going to help someone fund their child-porn-to-Iran scheme, and nor should they.
- Y_Y 8y agoUnless you call it something cool, like "Tor".
- JetSpiegel 8y agoTor is a security tool that might be used for evil purposes. It's not a gun, Tor is not developed so that pedophiles can share child porn.
- Y_Y 8y agoAnd guns aren't developed for murders. But that isn't the point I was trying to glibly make. People contribute to lots of well-intentioned took that contribute some kind of indirectly to evil things.
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- class4behavior 8y agoWell, Liberapay is for donations only, hence it is not a true alternative to Patreon and such. Also, you still have to pay the processing fees which, they say, should be below 5% on average. Nonetheless, it is pretty well-made and needed, especially since they care about internationalization.
- nspkr 8y agoI don't see any reason why Liberapay couldn't deploy a recurring donation system like Patreon's.
- pjc50 8y agoThey do. It's in the title of the article.
- class4behavior 8y agoWhat do you mean?? Liberapay supports solely recurring donations.
- pm7 8y agoIt's their choice to not compete with Patreon. See FAQ: https://en.liberapay.com/about/faq https://en.liberapay.com/about/faq "What are the differences between Liberapay and other recurrent crowdfunding platforms like Patreon? 1. Liberapay is only for donations, meaning that transactions must not be linked to a contract nor a promise of recompense."
- elcomet 8y agoThey don't allow donations on content publication like patreon does, because it can be seen as a purchase. They only allow reccuring donations.
- quadrangle 8y ago> not a true alternative to Patreon Translation: Not a paywall service. Patreon is largely that function for people. The ability to just get donations existed long before. A tool to combine donations with access to exclusive stuff is the main focus of Patreon. Personally, I see paywall-service as unfortunate because paywalls shouldn't exist. We need to find solutions (like patronage not tied to paywalls) to fund creative works that aren't restricted or freemium or whatever.