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So what? If Liberapay was based in the US, they could choose to continue hosting you if they wanted to. In the EU, they don't have that option.

by nspkr 8y ago

Traster 8y ago
That's a theoretical rather than a real objection since even if your platform doesn't get shut down the US payment processors such as paypal can shut you down and they're very difficult to get around - just ask subscribestar.
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vetinari 8y ago
This just in: https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1100760197553737734 https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/110076019755373773... Twitter sends legal warning for blasphemy. They couldn't find better timing for illustrating the point.
- SenHeng 8y ago
  The amount of ‘America! Fuck yea!’ in that thread is cringe inducing. Is there nobody trying to talk about the issue at hand without invoking any of the crazy emotional appeals to American exceptionalism or Muslim hatred?
  - vetinari 8y ago
    > The amount of ‘America! Fuck yea!’ in that thread is cringe inducing. Is there nobody trying to talk about the issue at hand without invoking any of the crazy emotional appeals to American exceptionalism I was literally arguing, that the nice theoretical point of guaranteed free speech is null and void by the current implementation of communication/publishing/payment processing. Where do you find 'America! Fuck yea!' in that? If anything, it is a critique of the current status, which hides ugly reality behind nice theory. > or Muslim hatred? Oh boy, another huge can of worms. Muslims still have no idea, what is a hatred in the West. They interchange criticism with hatred, and then they react somewhere between rioting to violence, fueling the vicious circle. They have no idea how Christians were/are pushed around in the West (you can start with the Covington issue recently: they were automatically guilty for being white and Catholics); or don't even consider how they behaved/are behaving towards Christians in the Middle East. Food for thought: ever seen Christian no-go zone in Saudi Arabia? Thought so.
    - minitech 8y ago
      > Muslims still have no idea, what is a hatred in the West. It’s stunning to read this. Are you really claiming you haven’t seen hatred towards Muslims? > hey have no idea how Christians were/are pushed around in the West And there’s where it goes from stunning to laughable. Yes, Christians, truly the most oppressed people in the West.
      - vetinari 8y ago
        > It’s stunning to read this. Are you really claiming you haven’t seen hatred towards Muslims? It is a fraction compared to the hatred from Muslims. > Yes, Christians, truly the most oppressed people in the West. Not only in the West; try being a Christian in the Middle East. You know, the countries controlled by Muslims today. Are you going to claim with a straight face, that they are not opressed?
        minitech 8y ago
        Don’t try to deflect by putting words in my mouth. > Not only in the West How?

So what? If Liberapay was based in the US, they could choose to continue hosting you if they wanted to. In the EU, they don't have that option.

by nspkr 8y ago

So what? If Liberapay was based in the US, they could choose to continue hosting you if they wanted to. In the EU, they don't have that option.

Traster 8y ago

That's a theoretical rather than a real objection since even if your platform doesn't get shut down the US payment processors such as paypal can shut you down and they're very difficult to get around - just ask subscribestar.

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vetinari 8y ago

This just in: https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1100760197553737734 https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/110076019755373773... Twitter sends legal warning for blasphemy. They couldn't find better timing for illustrating the point.

SenHeng 8y ago
The amount of ‘America! Fuck yea!’ in that thread is cringe inducing. Is there nobody trying to talk about the issue at hand without invoking any of the crazy emotional appeals to American exceptionalism or Muslim hatred?
- vetinari 8y ago
  > The amount of ‘America! Fuck yea!’ in that thread is cringe inducing. Is there nobody trying to talk about the issue at hand without invoking any of the crazy emotional appeals to American exceptionalism I was literally arguing, that the nice theoretical point of guaranteed free speech is null and void by the current implementation of communication/publishing/payment processing. Where do you find 'America! Fuck yea!' in that? If anything, it is a critique of the current status, which hides ugly reality behind nice theory. > or Muslim hatred? Oh boy, another huge can of worms. Muslims still have no idea, what is a hatred in the West. They interchange criticism with hatred, and then they react somewhere between rioting to violence, fueling the vicious circle. They have no idea how Christians were/are pushed around in the West (you can start with the Covington issue recently: they were automatically guilty for being white and Catholics); or don't even consider how they behaved/are behaving towards Christians in the Middle East. Food for thought: ever seen Christian no-go zone in Saudi Arabia? Thought so.
  - minitech 8y ago
    > Muslims still have no idea, what is a hatred in the West. It’s stunning to read this. Are you really claiming you haven’t seen hatred towards Muslims? > hey have no idea how Christians were/are pushed around in the West And there’s where it goes from stunning to laughable. Yes, Christians, truly the most oppressed people in the West.
    - vetinari 8y ago
      > It’s stunning to read this. Are you really claiming you haven’t seen hatred towards Muslims? It is a fraction compared to the hatred from Muslims. > Yes, Christians, truly the most oppressed people in the West. Not only in the West; try being a Christian in the Middle East. You know, the countries controlled by Muslims today. Are you going to claim with a straight face, that they are not opressed?
      - minitech 8y ago
        Don’t try to deflect by putting words in my mouth. > Not only in the West How?