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Hi all. About 2.5 years ago I created Highscore Money. I was looking at pay-to-play games and wondered what would happen if you'd take it to the extreme. The re
by keesj 8y ago
Hi all. About 2.5 years ago I created Highscore Money. I was looking at pay-to-play games and wondered what would happen if you'd take it to the extreme. The result was just a leaderboard you'd pay your way into. Whatever you pay, that's your score.
Today, I'm launching a new social experiment. A chatroom where you pay for every message you send. Normally chatrooms can get messy quick, because there's no cost to sending a message. Expensive Chat changes this dynamic.
- jstanley 8y agoWhat makes this a social experiment rather than a simple cash grab? Are you donating all the money to a charity?
- johnisgood 8y agoI think it is possible to do both, at the same time. :D
- spdionis 8y agoIt's an experiment on how much cash you can grab :)
- vortico 8y agoWhat makes this different than any other business idea that legally convinces customers to part with their money?
- jstanley 8y agoThe same as the difference between any other business idea that legally convinces customers to part with their money, and any social experiment.
- 0-_-0 8y agoIf the money was donated this would just make this an alternative way to donate money to charity, the creator pocketing the money is necessary for this to be a social experiment.
- PavlovsCat 8y agoBut that just makes it an alternative to giving the creator money directly. "How is this a plane? Is it made of wool?" "If it was made of wool it would be a comfy hat, it not being made of wool is necessary for it to be a plane. Notice how I'm not even claiming that it's a plane."
- kgwgk 8y agoHe could give the money to me and the “social experiment” part would be unaffected, I think. He could burn the money. Keeping it is not really out of necessity.
- pluma 8y agoNeato. I'll just refer to beggars and scammers as "social experimenters" from now on then.
- kome 8y agoson, i have to explain you a couple of things about capitalism... ;)
- baby 8y agoAre you shaming HN users for trying to monetize something?
- rplnt 8y agoThey are shaming them for using the "social experiment" label.
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- Yetanfou 8y agoThat question is comparable to the type of question which is often used in politics to silence opponents. In that sense it should be against HN rules, as to whether it is I don't know. As far as I'm concerned he just asked a question which can be answered without the need for 'defenders' to show up and challenge the questioner - and with that stifle the discourse here.
- vinceguidry 8y agoThe same logic applies to the question you're replying to. Were it me that was asked the question, I'd simply say "no, I was just curious."
- onion2k 8y agoWho says you can't profit from an experiment?
- pluma 8y agoWhen famed game designer Peter Molyneux came back out of hiding to launch his mobile games with a company called 22cans he also used the "social experiment" label to justify a pay-to-win clicker game and a "crowdfunded" god game with in-app purchases (that were later removed). The answer is: "social experiment" apps and games are just cash grabs with a veneer of clever marketing to them. The Million Dollar Homepage was probably the first one this blatant though. The outcome of the "experiment" is known in advance: people will pay unreasonable amounts of money for objectively worthless things if you can convince enough of them that it's cool. If it were an actual experiment, there would be some analysis published after the fact and the money would either be reimbursed or donated. Social experiments aren't experiments and they're mostly anti-social if anything. In video content it's code for (staged) "prank" (or harassment). In cases like this it's code for "grifting".
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- benj111 8y ago"In cases like this it's code for "grifting"" Are you accusing the pay per letter scheme of being grifting? How? They aren't misleading anybody.
- Kinnard 8y agoWhat makes this not a social experiment?
- benj111 8y agoIf you donate the money, that changes the dynamic of the experiment. How would you differentiate between cash grab and social experiment?
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- aur09 8y agoEvery message so far is some form of test. And what else would you expect? Nobody will care to continue chatting if there is no purpose uniting the room, especially when the more you participate the worse off you are. What are you hoping to achieve here? Or is this just a useless gimmick to get you a couple bucks?
- jpatokal 8y agoNow there's spam as well. Progress!
- comboy 8y agoI see a following potential issue: when it becomes popular, company advertising product is much more likely to spend $1 than the average user. Interestingly enough that should hold true regardless of the price (assuming popularity, and very low risk that this is all just generated by a single person). Because users who spend more money are a more valuable target.
- Aromasin 8y agoThing is, if it becomes more popular it becomes more spammed by ads and thus decrease in popularity, resulting it becoming less desirable to advertise on. Definitely an interesting social experiment, as well as a great cash grab. I'd love to see some data on the relationship between advertisement frequency and user-ship.
- TrickyRick 8y agoDidn't this happen to the donation leaderboards on Humble Bundle? I recall that being the case a few years ago at least. Of course all the money went to a good cause so it's all good.
- codeulike 8y agoFront-page of HN and its not working. No-one has said anything for 90 mins. I tried to chat, signed up, nothing happened.
- somebadguy 8y agoPlease go fuck yourself