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> You should never have hours worth of unsaved work open. NEVER. How about running long compilations, video decoding, etc Seems to me that Windows is unsuitab

by type0 8y ago

> You should never have hours worth of unsaved work open. NEVER. How about running long compilations, video decoding, etc Seems to me that Windows is unsuitable for real work.

sisu2019 8y ago
how about you do pending updates and set your work time? I think planning is still allowed for real work yes? This is why I don't believe that all these complaints come from super productive future steven spielberg level content producers because people like that wouldn't even need to think about planning around such an utter triviality.
- asdffdsa 8y ago
  quite tragic how the only thing holding back untold numbers of academy-award caliber filmmakers are configurable Windows updates
- mrpigeonpants 8y ago
  What if I'm about to go to a concert, running late and I need to print tickets last minute, and suddenly windows needs to spend 30 minutes updating, without giving me a choice? The fact that you can't stop it in the moment is infuriating. Also, you can't expect the user to manually configure system updates.
  - sisu2019 8y ago
    what if on your way to the concert your car breaks down because you kept putting of the required maintenance for months and months? This is exactly analog to your example. "Car users can't be expected to initiate an oil change at their convinience". Oh please.
    - mrpigeonpants 8y ago
      My computer wouldn't break down without updates. I previously had windows 7 for years and never updated. And had consecutive months of uptime. You don't get it.
      - sisu2019 8y ago
        you are an idiot to run unpatched windows for years and you well deserve all the problems your idiocy has been causing you and will be causing you in the future. This is a site for IT people, you really should know better.
      - muthdra 8y ago
        People like you are the reason we have to make system updates mandatory. Can you imagine if someone important kept an out-of-date primitive OS from updating for years? We have to be able to patch bugs in software whether you care about them or not. We are in climate change denial levels of discussion here.
    - anoncake 8y ago
      That is not a good analogy. When a car breaks down, it cannot continue working. If Windows forces an upgrade, it could continue working, but refuses to.
gamblor956 8y ago
Windows updates can be postponed and rescheduled. They don't just happen while you are using the computer--you have to affirmatively let them happen. (Though in some cases updates are mandatory when restarting or shutting down.)
- slavik81 8y ago
  Windows has an awful habit of popping up countdown timers to reboots in the background behind your applications. I install updates at every opportunity, but it still rebooted on me without having given any visible warning while I was in the middle of an Overwatch match.
  - nobodyandproud 8y ago
    Reported for gameplay sabotage. And abusive chat, for good measure.
batrat 8y ago
> How about running long compilations, video decoding, etc That has to run (and postpone updates) more than a week to force reboot it.
derefr 8y ago
That’s not “work” (input state); that’s cache (computed state.) And you’d normally do those things, these days, on a LTSB (i.e. workstation) or Server machine, which doesn’t have those problems. Windows 10 “Pro” is Windows for “professionals” in non-computer-related professions, that need Microsoft to be their IT admin. If you are your own sysadmin, then you should be running LTSB and, well, sysadminning it.
- vbezhenar 8y ago
  Microsoft does not agree with you. LTSC is Windows for devices (ATM, Medical scanners, etc), not for users. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/LTSC-What-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/L...
  - smittywerben 8y ago
    The autoupdate group policy hasn’t changed since Windows XP and still exists in Windows Server 2016. I shouldn’t have to buy 5 enterprise copies for ltsb to turn that shit back off.
decebalus1 8y ago
> real work Not a current Windows user but I used to work in a huge distributed system of Windows machines bringing in some hundreds of millions of revenue. Was that fake work? Seems condescending to both not know about automatically manage update settings and to bash 33.5% of the server market share.
- sisu2019 8y ago
  Ops statement about "real work" is so absurd I can't even grasp what state of mind would lead to it. Like the fraction of world GDP produced on windows must be in the double digits, right? Like you can't be so sheltered that you don't know that most all professionals outside of IT are using windows, right?
TheOperator 8y ago
I too am a superior unix-like OS user. I had a long comment written up about how M$ sux and how dumb Windoze users had to constantly save their work. I lost it though because the power went out and I didn't save a copy.
- muthdra 8y ago
  Hello there, fellow FOSS GNU/Unix-like OS user. I'm sure you are right because you use the same software as me and I'm right. Anyway, Windows is not real, man. Why is Microsoft even trying any longer? I personally haven't seen a reboot or a graphical user interface in like 17 years.

by type0 8y ago

> You should never have hours worth of unsaved work open. NEVER. How about running long compilations, video decoding, etc Seems to me that Windows is unsuitable for real work.

sisu2019 8y ago

how about you do pending updates and set your work time? I think planning is still allowed for real work yes? This is why I don't believe that all these complaints come from super productive future steven spielberg level content producers because people like that wouldn't even need to think about planning around such an utter triviality.

asdffdsa 8y ago
quite tragic how the only thing holding back untold numbers of academy-award caliber filmmakers are configurable Windows updates
mrpigeonpants 8y ago
What if I'm about to go to a concert, running late and I need to print tickets last minute, and suddenly windows needs to spend 30 minutes updating, without giving me a choice? The fact that you can't stop it in the moment is infuriating. Also, you can't expect the user to manually configure system updates.
- sisu2019 8y ago
  what if on your way to the concert your car breaks down because you kept putting of the required maintenance for months and months? This is exactly analog to your example. "Car users can't be expected to initiate an oil change at their convinience". Oh please.
  - mrpigeonpants 8y ago
    My computer wouldn't break down without updates. I previously had windows 7 for years and never updated. And had consecutive months of uptime. You don't get it.
    - sisu2019 8y ago
      you are an idiot to run unpatched windows for years and you well deserve all the problems your idiocy has been causing you and will be causing you in the future. This is a site for IT people, you really should know better.
    - muthdra 8y ago
      People like you are the reason we have to make system updates mandatory. Can you imagine if someone important kept an out-of-date primitive OS from updating for years? We have to be able to patch bugs in software whether you care about them or not. We are in climate change denial levels of discussion here.
  - anoncake 8y ago
    That is not a good analogy. When a car breaks down, it cannot continue working. If Windows forces an upgrade, it could continue working, but refuses to.

gamblor956 8y ago

Windows updates can be postponed and rescheduled. They don't just happen while you are using the computer--you have to affirmatively let them happen. (Though in some cases updates are mandatory when restarting or shutting down.)

slavik81 8y ago
Windows has an awful habit of popping up countdown timers to reboots in the background behind your applications. I install updates at every opportunity, but it still rebooted on me without having given any visible warning while I was in the middle of an Overwatch match.
- nobodyandproud 8y ago
  Reported for gameplay sabotage. And abusive chat, for good measure.

batrat 8y ago

> How about running long compilations, video decoding, etc That has to run (and postpone updates) more than a week to force reboot it.

derefr 8y ago

That’s not “work” (input state); that’s cache (computed state.) And you’d normally do those things, these days, on a LTSB (i.e. workstation) or Server machine, which doesn’t have those problems. Windows 10 “Pro” is Windows for “professionals” in non-computer-related professions, that need Microsoft to be their IT admin. If you are your own sysadmin, then you should be running LTSB and, well, sysadminning it.

vbezhenar 8y ago
Microsoft does not agree with you. LTSC is Windows for devices (ATM, Medical scanners, etc), not for users. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/LTSC-What-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/L...
- smittywerben 8y ago
  The autoupdate group policy hasn’t changed since Windows XP and still exists in Windows Server 2016. I shouldn’t have to buy 5 enterprise copies for ltsb to turn that shit back off.

decebalus1 8y ago

> real work Not a current Windows user but I used to work in a huge distributed system of Windows machines bringing in some hundreds of millions of revenue. Was that fake work? Seems condescending to both not know about automatically manage update settings and to bash 33.5% of the server market share.

sisu2019 8y ago
Ops statement about "real work" is so absurd I can't even grasp what state of mind would lead to it. Like the fraction of world GDP produced on windows must be in the double digits, right? Like you can't be so sheltered that you don't know that most all professionals outside of IT are using windows, right?

TheOperator 8y ago

I too am a superior unix-like OS user. I had a long comment written up about how M$ sux and how dumb Windoze users had to constantly save their work. I lost it though because the power went out and I didn't save a copy.

muthdra 8y ago
Hello there, fellow FOSS GNU/Unix-like OS user. I'm sure you are right because you use the same software as me and I'm right. Anyway, Windows is not real, man. Why is Microsoft even trying any longer? I personally haven't seen a reboot or a graphical user interface in like 17 years.