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Being the "IT guy" of the family has shown me that it happens even without looking for crazy. My wife's grandparents bought a nice Dell all-in-one desktop, run

by larrik 8y ago

Being the "IT guy" of the family has shown me that it happens even without looking for crazy. My wife's grandparents bought a nice Dell all-in-one desktop, running Windows 7, despite 8 being out. Then Win 10 came out just a few years later (less than 3), and Microsoft force updated them. Well, Dell didn't have drivers to support Win 10 (and still don't), so I had to do all sorts of crazy gymnastics to get their monitor back. Content updates regularly break these fixes, of course.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
You know, I remember back in the day when this law called the CFAA made "unauthorized usage" illegal. So.. Ive seen it used against a number of individual hackers. Why not companies?
- vilhelmen 8y ago
  By simply being in the same room the machine is in, you have agreed to the EULA and you can take it up with MS in forced arbitration.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    EULA eh? Show me: 1. Where it was signed (show me the document) 2. The wording of the agreed EULA 3. Who agreed to it 4. If theyre even able to make it. Because I know at my workplace, a computer was provided to me. Windows 10. I never clicked on a EULA. Ive also made VMs on AWS of Windows server 2016 for testing - again, no EULA. No clickthru.
    - TomMarius 8y ago
      IANAL; While you're working, your employer has agreed on behalf of you (with your consent - the employment). You are not an end user when using enterprise licenses. I might be mistaken though, Microsoft licensing and laws are both complex topics.
    - brewdad 8y ago
      Until the courts say otherwise and an enforcement body hands out penalties, none of that is necessary. You used the software, therefore you've implicitly agreed to the EULA. It may not be fair. It may not we right but that is the world we live in today.
  - ionised 8y ago
    > By simply being in the same room the machine is in, you have agreed to the EULA and you can take it up with MS in forced arbitration. What about in the EU where an EULA is unenforceable and forced arbitration doesn't exist?
linuxftw 8y ago
Same happened to my father, but with a laptop. It was brutal, nothing worked. Installed Linux, he used that laptop without much issue for the following 3 years. Windows 7 (and IMO, even vista) was solid. Windows 8 was dumb, but still worked mostly the same as 7. Windows 10 is an affront to decency and I won't tolerate it.

by larrik 8y ago

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

You know, I remember back in the day when this law called the CFAA made "unauthorized usage" illegal. So.. Ive seen it used against a number of individual hackers. Why not companies?

vilhelmen 8y ago
By simply being in the same room the machine is in, you have agreed to the EULA and you can take it up with MS in forced arbitration.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  EULA eh? Show me: 1. Where it was signed (show me the document) 2. The wording of the agreed EULA 3. Who agreed to it 4. If theyre even able to make it. Because I know at my workplace, a computer was provided to me. Windows 10. I never clicked on a EULA. Ive also made VMs on AWS of Windows server 2016 for testing - again, no EULA. No clickthru.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    IANAL; While you're working, your employer has agreed on behalf of you (with your consent - the employment). You are not an end user when using enterprise licenses. I might be mistaken though, Microsoft licensing and laws are both complex topics.
  - brewdad 8y ago
    Until the courts say otherwise and an enforcement body hands out penalties, none of that is necessary. You used the software, therefore you've implicitly agreed to the EULA. It may not be fair. It may not we right but that is the world we live in today.
- ionised 8y ago
  > By simply being in the same room the machine is in, you have agreed to the EULA and you can take it up with MS in forced arbitration. What about in the EU where an EULA is unenforceable and forced arbitration doesn't exist?

linuxftw 8y ago

Same happened to my father, but with a laptop. It was brutal, nothing worked. Installed Linux, he used that laptop without much issue for the following 3 years. Windows 7 (and IMO, even vista) was solid. Windows 8 was dumb, but still worked mostly the same as 7. Windows 10 is an affront to decency and I won't tolerate it.