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Having two nuclear powers shooting each other's planes out of the sky should make the whole world nervous. In a perverse way, it is probably a good thing that

Having two nuclear powers shooting each other's planes out of the sky should make the whole world nervous. In a perverse way, it is probably a good thing that they are both nuclear powers. The stakes are too high for them NOT to call a truce and end this madness before it gets out of hand. It seems like most remain hopeful that both sides will stand down after a couple of rounds of chest beating. Knowing humanity, it is only a matter of time though, before two nuclear powers begin an all out war with each other. India and Pakistan are definitely on the top of the list of candidates where such a war could start.

dogma1138 8y ago
It’s much worse with India and Pakistan. No centralized command and control, little to no fail safes once the physics package is integrated and warmed up, no second strike capability all of this results in a doctrine of tactical deployments with field commanders holding launch responsibilities. This isn’t the US and Russia where they can obliterate each other conventionally and no one would be able to fire a nuke off unless the leadership calls for it. This could start and end with a field level commander in some valley in Kashmir hitting the button because they can’t get their superiors on the line and some villager claimed they’ve seen a mushroom cloud.
- amriksohata 8y ago
  No second strike capability? Do you really think either of these countries have no second strike capability? I think you underestimate both sides armies and their command and control.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Neither side have centralized command and control, no centralized launch control, both Indian and Pakistani nukes are practically unsafe and neither country has a nuclear triad nor hardened launch capabilities that can survive a first strike, the only 2nd strike any of these countries would get is due to the sheer incompetence of their opponent. What’s worse is that both sides also lack proper early warning systems, reliable IFF, centralized communications, and essentially everything needs to ensure that no one is going to make a huge mistake. India and Pakistan are both a joke sadly for the rest of the world not a particularly funny one, and what will start with them won’t end with them since Russia, China and the US would get dragged into the situation. One of the biggest criticism of the nuclear non proliferation treaty is that it lacks the provision to deal with nations that achieve break out of full nuclear capabilities and allow the nuclear power to provide them with guidance and the tools to actually secure their nuclear arsenal. To put things into perspective China only now is establishing a centralized and fault tolerant command and control infrastructure with continuity of government and military command, both the US and Russia have been constantly miss identifying anything form wild geese to sounding rockets as possible first strike candidates and you if expect India and Pakistan to handle these issues with competency then you might need to reconsider what you define as such.
    - kuhhk 8y ago
      Where did you get all of this information about Pakistan and India's nuclear strategy or lack thereof? Do you have a source or evidence for what you're claiming here?
    - worldexplorer 8y ago
      Indian nukes are unsafe lol. US satellites couldn't even detect when India conducted nuclear bomb test in Pokhran.
    - amriksohata 8y ago
      You need to provide a source for this information as its contrary to what most analysts believe.

dogma1138 8y ago

It’s much worse with India and Pakistan. No centralized command and control, little to no fail safes once the physics package is integrated and warmed up, no second strike capability all of this results in a doctrine of tactical deployments with field commanders holding launch responsibilities. This isn’t the US and Russia where they can obliterate each other conventionally and no one would be able to fire a nuke off unless the leadership calls for it. This could start and end with a field level commander in some valley in Kashmir hitting the button because they can’t get their superiors on the line and some villager claimed they’ve seen a mushroom cloud.

amriksohata 8y ago
No second strike capability? Do you really think either of these countries have no second strike capability? I think you underestimate both sides armies and their command and control.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Neither side have centralized command and control, no centralized launch control, both Indian and Pakistani nukes are practically unsafe and neither country has a nuclear triad nor hardened launch capabilities that can survive a first strike, the only 2nd strike any of these countries would get is due to the sheer incompetence of their opponent. What’s worse is that both sides also lack proper early warning systems, reliable IFF, centralized communications, and essentially everything needs to ensure that no one is going to make a huge mistake. India and Pakistan are both a joke sadly for the rest of the world not a particularly funny one, and what will start with them won’t end with them since Russia, China and the US would get dragged into the situation. One of the biggest criticism of the nuclear non proliferation treaty is that it lacks the provision to deal with nations that achieve break out of full nuclear capabilities and allow the nuclear power to provide them with guidance and the tools to actually secure their nuclear arsenal. To put things into perspective China only now is establishing a centralized and fault tolerant command and control infrastructure with continuity of government and military command, both the US and Russia have been constantly miss identifying anything form wild geese to sounding rockets as possible first strike candidates and you if expect India and Pakistan to handle these issues with competency then you might need to reconsider what you define as such.
  - kuhhk 8y ago
    Where did you get all of this information about Pakistan and India's nuclear strategy or lack thereof? Do you have a source or evidence for what you're claiming here?
  - worldexplorer 8y ago
    Indian nukes are unsafe lol. US satellites couldn't even detect when India conducted nuclear bomb test in Pokhran.
  - amriksohata 8y ago
    You need to provide a source for this information as its contrary to what most analysts believe.