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I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how t

by ishjoh 8y ago

I've been following this story and it makes me very nervous that these skirmishes are getting more serious. I'm in the US so I don't have a good sense of how the citizens of the two countries are reacting to the conflict. Does anybody in India or Pakistan want to share the situation on the ground? How loudly are the the war drums banging? How are the media framing these events?

nsenifty 8y ago
Both Indian and Pakistani media are peddling irresponsible lies and half-truths. It's been really hard to separate the truth from the noise.
- pknerd 8y ago
  Not really. You may check Pakistani media via Youtube and others. As far as Pakistanis, we are not getting into such hysteria either. We are more busy in making memes and watching PSL.
pkd 8y ago
The mainstream media (some TV news channels, especially) have been warmongering quite hard in India. I assume it's the same in Pakistan.
- ishjoh 8y ago
  I remember the lead up to invading Iraq, what was incredible is that all the major media companies agreed that it had to be done. Whether it was CNN, Fox, etc, it didn't matter, they were all saying that we had to invade. There were almost no dissenting opinions, now I'm always very weary when media on the right and the left agree on things, it typically means it's not in the interest of the citizens.
- pknerd 8y ago
  > I assume it's the same in Pakistan. Not really. You may check Pakistani media via Youtube and others. As far as Pakistanis, we are not getting into such hysteria either. We are more busy in making memes and watching PSL.
godelmachine 8y ago
I am an Indian and until yesterday, I wholeheartedly supported the strikes by us on Pakistan mainland. Please note that the strikes were to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure with surgical precision. Pakistan took offense to this and have retaliated. During this retaliation, they caught one of our fighter pilots behind their lines. This happened when 2 MiG 21's from India engaged a dozen F16's coming from Pakistan. (Not sure about all 12 of them being F16's. There were 12 for sure. Some reports say 4 F16's , 4 JF7 Thunder and 4 Chengdu J-7) Since then, I want the pilot to be brought back home and want retaliation to take a back burner. Pakistani's too support going on the offensive.
- ishjoh 8y ago
  Thank you for commenting.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  India has nearly 250 SU-30’s which at least they have a chance who in the world would’ve ordered Mig 21’s to scramble against western jets after seeing how Soviet and Arab pilots faired in them against the Israelis in Mirages, F4s and F15/16s between 1967 and 1981?
  - godelmachine 8y ago
    If you know anything about CAP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol , the fighter aircraft which is closest to the intruders responds. In our case, it happened to be MiG 21. Had it been Sukhoi-30, we would had shot down at least half a dozen of them.
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      I think you over estimating what the SU-30 can do; it stands a better chance but what you are describing is unlikely given the armament of the F16s. The question is still why are the MiG 21s even operating in a contested environment when the opposition is much better armed when there is a better alternative.
mhq 8y ago
War drums are banging too loud in India. Their media/social media/celebrities/politicians every one is creating war hysteria. In Pakistan, everyone is asking for peace and only peace. Don't go for my words, check twitter/facebook/youtube yourself and find out.

by ishjoh 8y ago

nsenifty 8y ago

Both Indian and Pakistani media are peddling irresponsible lies and half-truths. It's been really hard to separate the truth from the noise.

pknerd 8y ago
Not really. You may check Pakistani media via Youtube and others. As far as Pakistanis, we are not getting into such hysteria either. We are more busy in making memes and watching PSL.

pkd 8y ago

The mainstream media (some TV news channels, especially) have been warmongering quite hard in India. I assume it's the same in Pakistan.

ishjoh 8y ago
I remember the lead up to invading Iraq, what was incredible is that all the major media companies agreed that it had to be done. Whether it was CNN, Fox, etc, it didn't matter, they were all saying that we had to invade. There were almost no dissenting opinions, now I'm always very weary when media on the right and the left agree on things, it typically means it's not in the interest of the citizens.
pknerd 8y ago
> I assume it's the same in Pakistan. Not really. You may check Pakistani media via Youtube and others. As far as Pakistanis, we are not getting into such hysteria either. We are more busy in making memes and watching PSL.

godelmachine 8y ago

I am an Indian and until yesterday, I wholeheartedly supported the strikes by us on Pakistan mainland. Please note that the strikes were to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure with surgical precision. Pakistan took offense to this and have retaliated. During this retaliation, they caught one of our fighter pilots behind their lines. This happened when 2 MiG 21's from India engaged a dozen F16's coming from Pakistan. (Not sure about all 12 of them being F16's. There were 12 for sure. Some reports say 4 F16's , 4 JF7 Thunder and 4 Chengdu J-7) Since then, I want the pilot to be brought back home and want retaliation to take a back burner. Pakistani's too support going on the offensive.

ishjoh 8y ago
Thank you for commenting.
dogma1138 8y ago
India has nearly 250 SU-30’s which at least they have a chance who in the world would’ve ordered Mig 21’s to scramble against western jets after seeing how Soviet and Arab pilots faired in them against the Israelis in Mirages, F4s and F15/16s between 1967 and 1981?
- godelmachine 8y ago
  If you know anything about CAP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_air_patrol , the fighter aircraft which is closest to the intruders responds. In our case, it happened to be MiG 21. Had it been Sukhoi-30, we would had shot down at least half a dozen of them.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    I think you over estimating what the SU-30 can do; it stands a better chance but what you are describing is unlikely given the armament of the F16s. The question is still why are the MiG 21s even operating in a contested environment when the opposition is much better armed when there is a better alternative.

mhq 8y ago

War drums are banging too loud in India. Their media/social media/celebrities/politicians every one is creating war hysteria. In Pakistan, everyone is asking for peace and only peace. Don't go for my words, check twitter/facebook/youtube yourself and find out.