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Are you on Pro or Home? On my Home edition machines, it's easily more than 3 times a year. Windows is my daily driver too, and while I generally like Windows,

Are you on Pro or Home? On my Home edition machines, it's easily more than 3 times a year. Windows is my daily driver too, and while I generally like Windows, the two things I hate the most are the updates and how bad the search is for launching apps (I know some people are going to chime in and say search is fine, but if you have a lot of apps installed, it can be laughably bad).

skrebbel 8y ago
I have a laptop on Home that I use a few times aweek. It supports scheduled-at-night updates as well, doesn't it? Maybe I remember wrong. Indeed my main laptop is on Pro. Btw I agree that the start menu search is unimaginably bad. Insane how so many gigahertzes can be wasted so much.
- slantyyz 8y ago
  Pro is way better for updates. I'd upgrade my Home edition PC's to Pro, but for the features that I would benefit from (better update behaviour, remote desktop), it's not worth the expense to me. To upgrade an existing license from Home to Pro costs almost the same as buying a new Pro license.
WorldMaker 8y ago
> how bad the search is for launching apps (I know some people are going to chime in and say search is fine, but if you have a lot of apps installed, it can be laughably bad) I think the variation in experiences is the variation of people with Cortana on. With Cortana on, I've never had a bad experience with app search in Windows 10. Using machines (such as work laptop) with Cortana off there are some very weird moments where search just stalls out that it shouldn't. I think there are two trends that should help: 1) In Insider builds for the upcoming 19H1 release (round about March) they split app/local-machine search from Cortana UX again, and it's getting a lot more standalone testing because of that. (Pushing Cortana back more to the core voice search / assistant focus.) 2) Microsoft is in the early stages of the process of a big Bing "Enterprise" / "Cortana for Business" push. That may also help reduce some of the search differences between consumer uses of Windows and enterprise uses of Windows.
- slantyyz 8y ago
  > I think the variation in experiences is the variation of people with Cortana on. With Cortana on, I've never had a bad experience with app search in Windows 10. Using machines (such as work laptop) with Cortana off there are some very weird moments where search just stalls out that it shouldn't. My problems have been less with stalling out, than horribly bad guesses at what I'm looking for. Sometimes it correctly figures out a misspelling, but most of the time it doesn't. Sometimes it won't find a multiword application name unless you type in the first few characters of the first word of the application name. Sometimes you can type in the correct name, and it just pretends the app doesn't exist at all. Considering that MS makes a search engine and Apple does not, it's suprising how much better Spotlight is at launching apps (I used to get 95+% accurate guess rate) than the Windows Start Search thingamabob is.
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- kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
  The sad thing is that search has been broken since Win7 and they can't make it work despite the vaunted indexing service.
Nannooskeeska 8y ago
I have Home edition on my home desktop, and I see updates way more than 3 times per year as well. It doesn't really bug me unless the update takes more than a few minutes. The search is absolutely terrible. And it's inconsistent. Sometimes I can type "no" and it'll come up with Notepad++ immediately. Other times I have to get all the way to the first + before it finds it. And still other times, it can't find it at all. That goes for all programs too, not just Notepad++. I've somewhat tried using tools like Everything [0] but never given them more than a few tries before uninstalling. Maybe I should do it again. [0] https://www.voidtools.com/ https://www.voidtools.com/
- jszymborski 8y ago
  It's super old, but I've been using launchy[0]. I started using it in the WinXP days, stopped during Win7, (never used win8), and Win10 regressed in this department so badly I've returned to using this ancient software... [0] https://www.launchy.net/ https://www.launchy.net/
- holbrad 8y ago
  I've been using a tool called KeyPirinha for launching programs. Configured it to launch when Alt+Space is entered. http://keypirinha.com/ http://keypirinha.com/
- slantyyz 8y ago
  > I've somewhat tried using tools like Everything [0] but never given them more than a few tries before uninstalling. Maybe I should do it again. I've tried a bunch of stuff too, and even bought one (Listary), but from a muscle memory perspective, nothing beats hitting the Windows key with my pinky. I guess I could remap the Windows key, but I think that would have too many negative side effects. I was on Mac as my daily driver for about a decade (but have no desire to go back), and Spotlight worked great as a launcher.
- Avery3R 8y ago
  Classic shell fixes the start menu and its search

skrebbel 8y ago

I have a laptop on Home that I use a few times aweek. It supports scheduled-at-night updates as well, doesn't it? Maybe I remember wrong. Indeed my main laptop is on Pro. Btw I agree that the start menu search is unimaginably bad. Insane how so many gigahertzes can be wasted so much.

slantyyz 8y ago
Pro is way better for updates. I'd upgrade my Home edition PC's to Pro, but for the features that I would benefit from (better update behaviour, remote desktop), it's not worth the expense to me. To upgrade an existing license from Home to Pro costs almost the same as buying a new Pro license.

WorldMaker 8y ago

> how bad the search is for launching apps (I know some people are going to chime in and say search is fine, but if you have a lot of apps installed, it can be laughably bad) I think the variation in experiences is the variation of people with Cortana on. With Cortana on, I've never had a bad experience with app search in Windows 10. Using machines (such as work laptop) with Cortana off there are some very weird moments where search just stalls out that it shouldn't. I think there are two trends that should help: 1) In Insider builds for the upcoming 19H1 release (round about March) they split app/local-machine search from Cortana UX again, and it's getting a lot more standalone testing because of that. (Pushing Cortana back more to the core voice search / assistant focus.) 2) Microsoft is in the early stages of the process of a big Bing "Enterprise" / "Cortana for Business" push. That may also help reduce some of the search differences between consumer uses of Windows and enterprise uses of Windows.

slantyyz 8y ago
> I think the variation in experiences is the variation of people with Cortana on. With Cortana on, I've never had a bad experience with app search in Windows 10. Using machines (such as work laptop) with Cortana off there are some very weird moments where search just stalls out that it shouldn't. My problems have been less with stalling out, than horribly bad guesses at what I'm looking for. Sometimes it correctly figures out a misspelling, but most of the time it doesn't. Sometimes it won't find a multiword application name unless you type in the first few characters of the first word of the application name. Sometimes you can type in the correct name, and it just pretends the app doesn't exist at all. Considering that MS makes a search engine and Apple does not, it's suprising how much better Spotlight is at launching apps (I used to get 95+% accurate guess rate) than the Windows Start Search thingamabob is.
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kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
The sad thing is that search has been broken since Win7 and they can't make it work despite the vaunted indexing service.

Nannooskeeska 8y ago

I have Home edition on my home desktop, and I see updates way more than 3 times per year as well. It doesn't really bug me unless the update takes more than a few minutes. The search is absolutely terrible. And it's inconsistent. Sometimes I can type "no" and it'll come up with Notepad++ immediately. Other times I have to get all the way to the first + before it finds it. And still other times, it can't find it at all. That goes for all programs too, not just Notepad++. I've somewhat tried using tools like Everything [0] but never given them more than a few tries before uninstalling. Maybe I should do it again. [0] https://www.voidtools.com/ https://www.voidtools.com/

jszymborski 8y ago
It's super old, but I've been using launchy[0]. I started using it in the WinXP days, stopped during Win7, (never used win8), and Win10 regressed in this department so badly I've returned to using this ancient software... [0] https://www.launchy.net/ https://www.launchy.net/
holbrad 8y ago
I've been using a tool called KeyPirinha for launching programs. Configured it to launch when Alt+Space is entered. http://keypirinha.com/ http://keypirinha.com/
slantyyz 8y ago
> I've somewhat tried using tools like Everything [0] but never given them more than a few tries before uninstalling. Maybe I should do it again. I've tried a bunch of stuff too, and even bought one (Listary), but from a muscle memory perspective, nothing beats hitting the Windows key with my pinky. I guess I could remap the Windows key, but I think that would have too many negative side effects. I was on Mac as my daily driver for about a decade (but have no desire to go back), and Spotlight worked great as a launcher.
Avery3R 8y ago
Classic shell fixes the start menu and its search