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Other than AMP, I can't really think of a case that I would characterize as "Google abusing its position" w.r.t. Open Web. It was Chrome that led the push for P

Other than AMP, I can't really think of a case that I would characterize as "Google abusing its position" w.r.t. Open Web. It was Chrome that led the push for PWAs, which I think is both great for the Open Web and consumers... The author complains about other vendors being "called laggards", which - let's be honest - we're really talking about how long Apple/Safari dragged their feet on Service Workers... and they _should_ be called out for that because it was an incredibly cynical thing to do to protect their walled App garden from the Open Web.

lern_too_spel 8y ago
It's laughable that the author suggests Apple as a viable alternative. Apple, the last company pushing license encumbered formats into web standards. Apple, the perennial laggard on standards support in general.
- guitarbill 8y ago
  I agreed to your comment before you edited it, simply because on a price point, Apple stuff isn't viable for laptops and desktops for many people. I don't agree with your weird rant, without any sources. Apple has shown with Safari that some people do like privacy features baked in, and while I can't say for sure, I hope it played a part in emboldening Firefox/Mozilla to focus a bit more on privacy.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    > I don't agree with your weird rant, without any sources. We are in a thread about browsers and web standards. Do I really need to explain that Apple pushed h.264 on the web, ultimately forcing a binary blob on Firefox? The lagging on web standards is a common complaint among web developers.
    - millstone 8y ago
      Apple's Intelligent Tracking Protection is another common complaint among web developers.
      - lern_too_spel 8y ago
        Most don't care. The people who want that just get the same thing in better browsers.
- mattmanser 8y ago
  Probably because Apple take privacy seriously, which is a direct threat to Google's bottom line.
  - intopieces 8y ago
    Apple sure hopes so, but do we know this from data? It seems like there are privacy scandals every week and yet Google seems to be swimming along fine.
  - wnevets 8y ago
    >Probably because Apple take privacy seriously, by making google the default search engine on iOS?
  - brianpgordon 8y ago
    That's their PR position, but I don't see them taking privacy particularly seriously in reality. They tolerated predatory behavior from darling apps like Facebook for ages.
  - lern_too_spel 8y ago
    And Apple takes the web platform not seriously at all, which is why the author's suggestion is ludicrous.
dofng8o43189 8y ago
I'm pretty cynical about the "Chrome Experiments" project. Google never explicitly claimed that only Chrome can run those Experiments properly, but that was the clear implication.

lern_too_spel 8y ago

It's laughable that the author suggests Apple as a viable alternative. Apple, the last company pushing license encumbered formats into web standards. Apple, the perennial laggard on standards support in general.

guitarbill 8y ago
I agreed to your comment before you edited it, simply because on a price point, Apple stuff isn't viable for laptops and desktops for many people. I don't agree with your weird rant, without any sources. Apple has shown with Safari that some people do like privacy features baked in, and while I can't say for sure, I hope it played a part in emboldening Firefox/Mozilla to focus a bit more on privacy.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  > I don't agree with your weird rant, without any sources. We are in a thread about browsers and web standards. Do I really need to explain that Apple pushed h.264 on the web, ultimately forcing a binary blob on Firefox? The lagging on web standards is a common complaint among web developers.
  - millstone 8y ago
    Apple's Intelligent Tracking Protection is another common complaint among web developers.
    - lern_too_spel 8y ago
      Most don't care. The people who want that just get the same thing in better browsers.
mattmanser 8y ago
Probably because Apple take privacy seriously, which is a direct threat to Google's bottom line.
- intopieces 8y ago
  Apple sure hopes so, but do we know this from data? It seems like there are privacy scandals every week and yet Google seems to be swimming along fine.
- wnevets 8y ago
  >Probably because Apple take privacy seriously, by making google the default search engine on iOS?
- brianpgordon 8y ago
  That's their PR position, but I don't see them taking privacy particularly seriously in reality. They tolerated predatory behavior from darling apps like Facebook for ages.
- lern_too_spel 8y ago
  And Apple takes the web platform not seriously at all, which is why the author's suggestion is ludicrous.

dofng8o43189 8y ago

I'm pretty cynical about the "Chrome Experiments" project. Google never explicitly claimed that only Chrome can run those Experiments properly, but that was the clear implication.