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The problem is that the bottom end of 1k RAM still exists. In fact, because the main change is that it gets cheaper every year, it's even more prevalent. Just b

The problem is that the bottom end of 1k RAM still exists. In fact, because the main change is that it gets cheaper every year, it's even more prevalent. Just because there aren't lots of blog posts, doesn't mean that isn't a large proportion of the industry. The word 'embedded' is not well defined, but if you use it on things with 1GB of RAM, what do you call a PIC with 1K? My personal definition of embedded (which is of course still flawed) is anything without an MMU. A Raspberry Pi isn't embedded for instance, it's just a small computer, just like a phone.

hoffs 8y ago
1K ram embedded device surely doesn't even exist in compute scenarios where kubernetes operates. There's very different fields
detaro 8y ago
And nobody has suggested to use it on such tiny devices. "Embedded" spanning a large range of devices isn't new. 20 years ago, mainboards for high-end x86 CPUs of the day that were made to be put into industrial devices were already called "embedded". Because they're embedded into machines etc. If you mean tiny devices, why not say "microcontroller" or something?
geofft 8y ago
Then what do you call a server with a CPU+MMU for its remote management or an iPhone with a CPU+MMU for its secure enclave? A cluster? There is certainly a lot of technical merit in calling the five-inch thing in my hand a distributed system of multiple computers, but in practice it's not the common definition.
james_s_tayler 8y ago
>The word 'embedded' is not well defined, but if you use it on things with 1GB of RAM, what do you call a PIC with 1K? _very_ embedded
znpy 8y ago
> The word 'embedded' is not well defined > ... > My personal definition of embedded (which is of course still flawed) is anything without an MMU Probably "embedded" would better be defined as an electronic device capable of performing digital computations small enough to be put literally into other stuff, usually everyday things.

hoffs 8y ago

1K ram embedded device surely doesn't even exist in compute scenarios where kubernetes operates. There's very different fields

detaro 8y ago

And nobody has suggested to use it on such tiny devices. "Embedded" spanning a large range of devices isn't new. 20 years ago, mainboards for high-end x86 CPUs of the day that were made to be put into industrial devices were already called "embedded". Because they're embedded into machines etc. If you mean tiny devices, why not say "microcontroller" or something?

geofft 8y ago

Then what do you call a server with a CPU+MMU for its remote management or an iPhone with a CPU+MMU for its secure enclave? A cluster? There is certainly a lot of technical merit in calling the five-inch thing in my hand a distributed system of multiple computers, but in practice it's not the common definition.

james_s_tayler 8y ago

>The word 'embedded' is not well defined, but if you use it on things with 1GB of RAM, what do you call a PIC with 1K? _very_ embedded

znpy 8y ago

> The word 'embedded' is not well defined > ... > My personal definition of embedded (which is of course still flawed) is anything without an MMU Probably "embedded" would better be defined as an electronic device capable of performing digital computations small enough to be put literally into other stuff, usually everyday things.