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Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as ev

Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as even the Chinese government is accountable to public opinion to a large degree. For an accusation like that you should always provide substantiated evidence, otherwise you're just flaming the anti-Chinese racial flames. Because as terrible as you may think the Chinese government is, it still has the legitimacy and support of a vast majority of the Chinese population.

King-Aaron 8y ago
> Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly, but still. Top result in google. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activists-family-taken-away-over-letter-calling-for-xi-jinping-to-quit https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activi...
- chrischen 8y ago
  There's really nothing that goes on in China without netizens talking about it (see chinasmack.com). It'd be really interesting to hear about the Chinese perspective on this. TO be honest the article seems really lacking on details. From an objective bystander perspective, there may actually be legitimate charges levied on the family members, but it's hard to tell.
- calcifer 8y ago
  > Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly What is that supposed to mean?
  - dijit 8y ago
    Guardian is a newspaper generally perceived to be anti-authoritarian. It's one of the few "left" newspapers in the UK.
    - calcifer 8y ago
      I know that. I'm questioning GP's apologetic tone that implies it's wrong to link to the Guardian.
      - uodtl 8y ago
        If you know that then you know the answer. It's an anti-authoritarian paper so it's going to be biased against an authoritarian government.
        iknowstuff2 8y ago
        Powerful people in the UK hate China and the idea of China rising because it is a precursor to the UK's certain economic death. Take every British account of Chinese activities with a block of salt not just a grain. Royal family and aristocrats of Britain made their multigenerational fortunes destroying mainland China & India.
      - King-Aaron 8y ago
        Two reasons really - one, it's a source of evidence coming from a channel which is often disregarded here as holding bias to a certain political agenda, and two - I'd normally like to offer several sources of evidence to support a point I'm making, but didn't have time at work to aggregate more links.
claplouder 8y ago
are you seriously asking this about the same govt that has trampled on tibetan rights and is holding a million muslims in an internment camp? Since you have brought up the subject of the genocidal CCP having the support of the Chinese population, let me ask you this: isn't it true that the feeling amongst Han Chinese is that they are superior to other races and and cultures, and are meant to rule them? Isn't that the policy CCP is following now?
- Theodores 8y ago
  Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these remote regions of China stack up compared to NATO's narco state of Afghanistan? The narrative about Tibet you know is what the CIA told you to believe. The British invaded the place once, maybe you would prefer the place to be a British colony, open to the Western corporations and therefore 'free'? The story of China and Tibet is not something you have any meaningful knowledge of. Everything you say about Chinese people and them thinking themselves as superior with some divine right to rule can be said about people in Washington, London and Tel Aviv.
  - claplouder 8y ago
    I am Indian, and I know precisely the story of Tibetans. There are many of them living in India now since they've lost their homes. China invaded India twice, so don't think I don't know Chinese superiority complex. Of course there are nutcases everywhere, but nowhere else a government this powerful has a mandate to undermine human rights at a global level without any opposition from their own people. CCP is following a racist genocidal agenda with full support of a majority of their people, and they won't stop at the Uighurs or tibetans.
  - mda 8y ago
    Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.
ardy42 8y ago
Liu Xiaobo's wife was kept under house arrest and nearly incommunicado for eight years, without ever being charged, on account of being married to Nobel-prize winning dissident. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2148922/wife-chinese-dissident-liu-xiaobo-feels-she-serving https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/10/liu-xia-wife-liu-xiaobo-late-nobel-peace-prize-winner-leaves-china/770490002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/10/liu-xia... It take's a rather famous case to make it into the Western news, but I have a close Chinese-national friend who's under the strong impression that dissident activity would be bad for her parents.

King-Aaron 8y ago

> Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly, but still. Top result in google. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activists-family-taken-away-over-letter-calling-for-xi-jinping-to-quit https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/26/chinese-activi...

chrischen 8y ago
There's really nothing that goes on in China without netizens talking about it (see chinasmack.com). It'd be really interesting to hear about the Chinese perspective on this. TO be honest the article seems really lacking on details. From an objective bystander perspective, there may actually be legitimate charges levied on the family members, but it's hard to tell.
calcifer 8y ago
> Not the best coming from the Guardian admittedly What is that supposed to mean?
- dijit 8y ago
  Guardian is a newspaper generally perceived to be anti-authoritarian. It's one of the few "left" newspapers in the UK.
  - calcifer 8y ago
    I know that. I'm questioning GP's apologetic tone that implies it's wrong to link to the Guardian.
    - uodtl 8y ago
      If you know that then you know the answer. It's an anti-authoritarian paper so it's going to be biased against an authoritarian government.
      - iknowstuff2 8y ago
        Powerful people in the UK hate China and the idea of China rising because it is a precursor to the UK's certain economic death. Take every British account of Chinese activities with a block of salt not just a grain. Royal family and aristocrats of Britain made their multigenerational fortunes destroying mainland China & India.
    - King-Aaron 8y ago
      Two reasons really - one, it's a source of evidence coming from a channel which is often disregarded here as holding bias to a certain political agenda, and two - I'd normally like to offer several sources of evidence to support a point I'm making, but didn't have time at work to aggregate more links.

claplouder 8y ago

are you seriously asking this about the same govt that has trampled on tibetan rights and is holding a million muslims in an internment camp? Since you have brought up the subject of the genocidal CCP having the support of the Chinese population, let me ask you this: isn't it true that the feeling amongst Han Chinese is that they are superior to other races and and cultures, and are meant to rule them? Isn't that the policy CCP is following now?

Theodores 8y ago
Don't be so facile about China. It makes you sound like you only know how to suckle at the teat of mainstream Western media. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones: How many young black Americans are in jail, on parole or awaiting trial? Which country has the most people in prison, by percentage or gross total? What about Hawaiian rights? How did that sovereign country become a U.S. state exactly? How do these remote regions of China stack up compared to NATO's narco state of Afghanistan? The narrative about Tibet you know is what the CIA told you to believe. The British invaded the place once, maybe you would prefer the place to be a British colony, open to the Western corporations and therefore 'free'? The story of China and Tibet is not something you have any meaningful knowledge of. Everything you say about Chinese people and them thinking themselves as superior with some divine right to rule can be said about people in Washington, London and Tel Aviv.
- claplouder 8y ago
  I am Indian, and I know precisely the story of Tibetans. There are many of them living in India now since they've lost their homes. China invaded India twice, so don't think I don't know Chinese superiority complex. Of course there are nutcases everywhere, but nowhere else a government this powerful has a mandate to undermine human rights at a global level without any opposition from their own people. CCP is following a racist genocidal agenda with full support of a majority of their people, and they won't stop at the Uighurs or tibetans.
- mda 8y ago
  Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.

ardy42 8y ago

Liu Xiaobo's wife was kept under house arrest and nearly incommunicado for eight years, without ever being charged, on account of being married to Nobel-prize winning dissident. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2148922/wife-chinese-dissident-liu-xiaobo-feels-she-serving https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/10/liu-xia-wife-liu-xiaobo-late-nobel-peace-prize-winner-leaves-china/770490002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/10/liu-xia... It take's a rather famous case to make it into the Western news, but I have a close Chinese-national friend who's under the strong impression that dissident activity would be bad for her parents.