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As a former nephrologist I feel obligated to comment on this article. So, much of what is written is true, but much is also a bit slanted too. So, mortality r
by arn 16y ago
As a former nephrologist I feel obligated to comment on this article. So, much of what is written is true, but much is also a bit slanted too.
So, mortality rates on dialysis do suck. It's not necessarily a reflection of bad care, though that certainly happens. Once you require dialysis, that means your kidneys are trashed. They don't work well enough to function, so you need kidney replacement therapy. This generally doesn't happen in isolation. If your kidneys are that damaged, you generally have serious underlying health problems (diabetes, high blood pressure) that have also affected your brain and heart... so it's only a (short) matter of time before you have a devastating event.
There are diseases which only affect the kidneys in isolation, and those people tend to live a long time on dialysis.
The comparisons to foreign countries is always important but I feel like the article dismisses some of the country-specific factors
"Yet Italy spends about one-third less than we do per patient. These results reflect lower overall health-care costs and a __patient population with lower rates of diabetes and heart disease__, but also important divergences in policy and practice."
Less diabetes and heart disease would be a huge factor in the difference in spending and mortality rates. Those are massive implications, and also indicate that their dialysis patients might be due to different (less systemic) diseases.
In the end, it's probably only one factor. I think it's likely that underlying U.S. cultural differences are another. I believe expectations and beliefs about death and elderly may be different abroad, though I don't have any citations for that. In the U.S., it's seems hard to deny people dialysis. I'd be curious what the average age of people on dialysis in the U.S. vs abroad are. I expect the U.S. average age would be much higher.
I think american families tend to want dialysis and are more reluctant to accept that it's simply the end of the line. To be fair, it's a hard decision to not accept what seems to be a life extending treatment. And it's incredibly hard as a physician to refuse dialysis to anyone, especially if the family wants it.
I also expect these same attitudes pervade u.s. trained physicians who may skirt these subjects of death more apprehensively because they also share those attitudes. The cover your ass mentality also tends to mean people err on the side of doing more, when doing less may be more appropriate.
- robryan 16y agoWould you support some minimum standards to qualify for government support dialysis, taking away the need for the individual physicians to have to make a tough call? I wouldn't think they would even need to be placed to high, just used to identify when a patient is coming to the end of the line and the benefit of the dialysis would be minimal.
- fharper1961 16y agoAs mentioned in the article, there are very big differences between treatment for kidney failure between the US and other first world countries. For example, blood filters are commonly reused in the US, to save a few bucks. Doctors are not always present during treatment and available for emergencies, etc. You're right of course that this is just part of the bigger problems with the US health care system as it currently exists. I have some knowledge in this area because I'm currently working on the software for a dialysis machine, and in this context have talked quite a bit with people working in the industry who know and can compare the situations in different countries.
- matrix 16y agoSlightly off topic: what prompted you to leave nephrology? That's not something someone would do lightly, to say the least.
- maukdaddy 16y agoHe owns macrumors.com which generates enough income to cover his lifestyle
- arn 16y agohttp://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=236308 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=236308 Previous thread on it. In summary, my side business (macrumors.com) became successful enough that it made significantly more than my income as a doctor. Combine that with the lifestyle of being a doctor being bad, and wanting to spend more time with my young kids. It was still a hard decision at the time due to the sunk costs of becoming a doctor but on paper it was an easy decision.