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> They say this, but people with integrity are typically made fun of secretly or even publicly, declared dismissive and asocial, instead of positively recognize

> They say this, but people with integrity are typically made fun of secretly or even publicly, declared dismissive and asocial, instead of positively recognized in any fashion. They are seen as "rude", as "expecting too much", and at every point of their life, it is as if the society is telling them: "let it go, drop down to our level". Not in those words, but with actions and with the general atmosphere of the society. Oh my gosh, that is such a grim set of generalizations. What possible evidence do you have for those premises? Is it possible you're thinking of the narrow set of people who have integrity and are public figures, then shifting to generalize to all people who have integrity? Because there are plenty of areas of life where people with integrity are not only valued but protected by their communities.

stingraycharles 8y ago
Yeah it seems like the parent is thinking that being rude and blunt is the only way to maintain integrity. It’s actually surprisingly easy to maintain integrity and be a likeable person.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  Just think of the the protagonist in "Shawshank Redemption". I don't mean "look, how easy", but I would be surprised if most people don't respect that character in some form. He doesn't hate others, he's not arrogant, he just also doesn't give in, and I would say he holds on to integrity for his own as well as everybodies' sake, not as something he wants just for himself to then judge others with. Even if it ended differently, I think most people would still say "good for him" for how he carries himself. Ultimately, I think communities, at least smaller ones in real life that aren't dysfunctional, are really good at knowing where one's heart is at, and that matters more than anything.
ip26 8y ago
The way it was written, I'm reading between the lines that your parent comment is describing their own personal life experience, where they are the "person with integrity", and generalizing it to the world. Going just a bit further, I would observe that people I have felt best modeled integrity... do not openly identify themselves as "someone of integrity". It's just something they do, it's just the way they are.

stingraycharles 8y ago

Yeah it seems like the parent is thinking that being rude and blunt is the only way to maintain integrity. It’s actually surprisingly easy to maintain integrity and be a likeable person.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
Just think of the the protagonist in "Shawshank Redemption". I don't mean "look, how easy", but I would be surprised if most people don't respect that character in some form. He doesn't hate others, he's not arrogant, he just also doesn't give in, and I would say he holds on to integrity for his own as well as everybodies' sake, not as something he wants just for himself to then judge others with. Even if it ended differently, I think most people would still say "good for him" for how he carries himself. Ultimately, I think communities, at least smaller ones in real life that aren't dysfunctional, are really good at knowing where one's heart is at, and that matters more than anything.

ip26 8y ago

The way it was written, I'm reading between the lines that your parent comment is describing their own personal life experience, where they are the "person with integrity", and generalizing it to the world. Going just a bit further, I would observe that people I have felt best modeled integrity... do not openly identify themselves as "someone of integrity". It's just something they do, it's just the way they are.