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> Plans to start banning ICE cars next decade are getting serious. This made me think: many cities already ban cars from their centers, but perhaps a better po
by short_sells_poo 8y ago
> Plans to start banning ICE cars next decade are getting serious.
This made me think: many cities already ban cars from their centers, but perhaps a better policy would be to ban ICE cars? Air quality and noise levels could improve dramatically, but the impact on commerce wouldn't be as harsh perhaps?
- mijamo 8y agoA lot of air quality problem in cities comes with tyres and brakes. This is why the air quality is so bad in metro stations even though thzy are fully electrical as well. In addition, the policies against car are not only pollution related but quality of life related and urbanism. This is why in many places in Europe you can't build open air parking in cities anymore, it just takes too much of the public space and if yoj want life in the cities you need to be able to walk easier.
- modeless 8y agoElectric cars hardly use their brakes at all due to regenerative braking, so that problem is solved too.
- cptskippy 8y agoThey use them less and regen primarily alleviates the need for brakes to perform speed modulation when cruising. They're still used for stopping and a bad driver or rapid deceleration will still put excessive wear on brakes.
- modeless 8y ago> regen primarily alleviates the need for brakes to perform speed modulation when cruising This isn't true for me. Maybe it depends on the strength of regen in your car, but 90% of my deceleration when stopping is handled by regen. I only use brakes under 5 MPH in most circumstances. And I wouldn't say I'm a timid driver.
- cptskippy 8y agoHow do you know when your car engages the brakes vs using regen? Are you taking your foot off the accelerator and then waiting until the very last moment to step on the brake pedal? I know that Tesla's have aggressive regen, I own one, but it doesn't bring you to a complete stop so you're using brakes at every full stop.
- modeless 8y agoYes, I normally do not press the brake pedal until I have already decelerated to about 5 MPH, when regen basically stops. I know that some cars automatically apply the brakes as part of regen to make the transition smoother but I'm pretty sure the Model 3 does not.
- cptskippy 8y agoThat's a long run out. I try to avoid annoying people behind me by doing that.
- ams6110 8y agoI don't think the main reason for banning cars from city centers was to reduce noise and improve air quality, it was to reduce congestion. Noise and air quality improvements were a nice side benefit.
- plopz 8y agoI'm not sure the noise would get any better. Electric cars are forced to have fake noise at low speeds because pedestrians and cyclists have been conditioned to rely on hearing traffic around them, which leads to accidents when that noise isn't present.
- cptskippy 8y agoThus far the fake noise is closer to crickets than an engine. I have no doubt though that we'll see EVs that make noise for the sake of being seen (i.e. Harleys and Trucks)
- dragonwriter 8y ago> Electric cars are forced to have fake noise at low speeds because ...blind people exist.
- nothrabannosir 8y agoLondon's new draconian rules / tariffs, at least, only apply to ICE engines.
- ataturk 8y agoReally? That Model 3 is kind of a POS and I wouldn't want it as my daily driver. Those stupid door handles don't pop out in the cold, firefighters can't extract crash victims without jaws of life. That's a shame, too, because those batteries go up like roman candles in many crashes, immolating the occupants. Now I don't feel so bad for the virtue-signaling adults, but the kids trapped in the back seat are innocent victims. What kind of "free" country is this where someone can ban things they don't like? Answer: Not a free country at all.
- dalbasal 8y agoI think it's likely, gradually at various levels of government.