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Yikes dude. You should feel empathy because women and black people are fellow humans, not because you _are or have fathered_ someone in those groups.
by thisisweirdok 8y ago
Yikes dude. You should feel empathy because women and black people are fellow humans, not because you _are or have fathered_ someone in those groups.
- DoofusOfDeath 8y agoIt seems to me you're committing an is/ought fallacy. The GP was was describing his/her actual feelings on the matter, not the idealized feelings you seem to be recommending.
- thisisweirdok 8y agoAlright, I guess I can revise my comment to say that I feel like it's kind of fucked that GP's empathy only extends to his self and no further.
- tathougies 8y agoEmpathy is an often overused word. It is quite likely your empathy only extends to yourself and a few other intimate relationship. Empathy refers to the ability to actually feel another's pain. Very few people can do this for anyone more than their family and close friends. Most people ought to instead focus on cultivating sympathy, which is the intellectual realization of another's suffering, and turning that sympathy into action.
- thisisweirdok 8y agoEmpathy is understanding, sympathy is recognition. If I stub my toe you don't have to feel that pain to empathize it, you have to understand what it feels like to suddenly be in pain. Sympathy in that situation would only require recognizing and pitying someone who is in pain, without necessarily understanding it.
- tathougies 8y agoThe word empathy was originally understold to mean actually feeling the pain of someone else in pain. Sympathy had the meaning you ascribe to empathy: understanding intellectually that the person in pain is having a tough. That the words take on ever extravagant meanings indicates that theyve become so cliche as to be meaningless.
- thisisweirdok 8y agoI'm not talking about an intellectual understanding, I'm talking about emotional understanding. Sympathy is intellectual understanding (i.e., recognition), but is not emotional understanding.
- tathougies 8y agoEmotional understanding means feeling the emotions of the other. If you do not feel what the other is feeling yourself, then you simply have an intellectual appreciation, which you agree is sympathy. Don't take my word for it. Merriam-webster defines empathy(https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empathy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empathy): > the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, Notice the 'and vicariously experiencing'. If there is no experience, it is not empathy. Stop using the word to mean something it is simply not.
- rpiguy 8y agoI have very high levels of empathy for others, but without a viable alternative I am willing to accept the current system. I would be happy to see it improved. The European model for justice doesn’t work either. Crimes are simply not prosecuted.
- tathougies 8y agoAs a person of color, I always find your reasoning (not the dad's) somewhat ridiculous. The fact is being related to someone who may be impacted by these things does actually change how people behave. My non-POC wife married me, and obviously, she now cares more about issues facing people of color. Not that she didn't care in the past, but now it's not a matter of an abstract idea (which people rarely put themselves out to defend), it's her children and husband. Cut the guy some slack. It's perfectly natural to prefer those you are family with.