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In Italy that would mean vote for Salvini's Lega An anti Euro party, anti EU, anti migration, pro Italian Exit, racist, omophobic, whose leader, who's also int

In Italy that would mean vote for Salvini's Lega An anti Euro party, anti EU, anti migration, pro Italian Exit, racist, omophobic, whose leader, who's also interior minister of Italy, has been wearing neo-fascist brands in public, hugging a drug dealer hooligan or recently visited a man who shot in the back an unarmed alleged thief romanian and killed him, declaring him a martyr who deserves pardon. Or their allies, the 5 star movement, who are just incompetent jackasses. Thanks, but NO thanks. BTW they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so. Italian original article: http://espresso.repubblica.it/plus/articoli/2019/02/21/news/tre-milioni-matteo-salvini-russia-1.331924 http://espresso.repubblica.it/plus/articoli/2019/02/21/news/... In english: https://euobserver.com/foreign/144253 https://euobserver.com/foreign/144253

dexen 8y ago
>they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so The technical term for what happened here is "jumping the shark" [1]. Accusations of this or that worldview or tendencies is one thing, but injecting conspiracy theories into serious discussion is entirely different ballpark. Especially when it's already well documented how terrible Article 13 is. -- [1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jumping%20the%20shark https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jumping%20th...
- lostjohnny 8y ago
  It's not. There are many proofs about contacts between Lega or 5 star movement and Putin's emissaries. Unfortunately many of them are in Italian. Just look for Jacobo Iacoboni articles, that might have been translated and published in english. His book 'the experiment' is also worth reading.
  - mcv 8y ago
    I don't doubt that Lega and 5 star have a connection with Putin, but what is Putin's interest in opposing Article 13? If anything, I'd expect him to support it, hoping to ruin European internet access.
kriive 8y ago
You are not required to pledge which politician you are going to vote in the next EU elections. The purpose for this is to facilitate contact between you and a local politician who has not publicly declared his/her vote intentions on article 13 yet. Your job is to convince him/her to vote against article 13. I understand that the title is a little misleading, but come on! P.S. I'm italian too.
- lostjohnny 8y ago
  I will never vote for somebody who's opposing to a free EU Besides, as a long time activist for internet freedom, I agree that something like article 13 is urgently needed. There is no freedom without protection. What EU is trying to do is to protect the small local EU actors against the tech giants from outside EU.
  - jononor 8y ago
    How is Article 13 helping small local EU actors?
    - lostjohnny 8y ago
      > Platforms run by startups (small and micro-sized businesses) are exempted from the law. > Licenses that platforms take out cover uploads by their users, as long as they act non-commercially or “don’t generate significant revenues” > Uploaders can complain about blocked uploads and request impartial, human review. (it means real justice, not Facebook's justice or Twitter justice or youTube's justice) Believe it or not, the platforms are already liable in case of legal infringement, it's not really different from before. Right now YouTube just get away with it because "we have too much content to check". The small players don't because, well, they are too small to even get a chance to fight.
      - jononor 8y ago
        No, platforms run by startups are not exempted. The criteria for exception are: Available to the public for less than 3 years AND Annual turnover below €10 million AND Fewer than 5 million unique monthly visitors So any "for-profit" site which is more than 3 years old will need to implement upload filters.
piokoch 8y ago
"BTW they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so" I am really curious why Putin would care about that? How this law affects Russia?
- lostjohnny 8y ago
  Easy: they are winning the information warfare and don't want to be stopped. Fake news and propaganda are one obvious target of article 13.
- ocdtrekkie 8y ago
  FWIW, at least in the US, Russia has been seen promoting both sides of conflicts that get people riled up politically online. The goal may not be "to support Article 13", but "cause discord and strife regarding Article 13".
  - RobertoG 8y ago
    Putin is doing a really bad job, nobody cares.
    - mcv 8y ago
      He was pretty successful with the Brexit, though.
YinglingLight 8y ago
You sold me
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
Do you get the option to vote blank? I'd go for that instead; choosing the lesser evil (or greater in this case?) should never be mandatory.
- lostjohnny 8y ago
  I'm not sure what I'm voting yet, but I'm sure I'll vote for a stronger EU, not a weaker EU. The blank option is of course possible, but I do not like it. I consider it the lesser evil.

dexen 8y ago

>they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so The technical term for what happened here is "jumping the shark" [1]. Accusations of this or that worldview or tendencies is one thing, but injecting conspiracy theories into serious discussion is entirely different ballpark. Especially when it's already well documented how terrible Article 13 is. -- [1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jumping%20the%20shark https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jumping%20th...

lostjohnny 8y ago
It's not. There are many proofs about contacts between Lega or 5 star movement and Putin's emissaries. Unfortunately many of them are in Italian. Just look for Jacobo Iacoboni articles, that might have been translated and published in english. His book 'the experiment' is also worth reading.
- mcv 8y ago
  I don't doubt that Lega and 5 star have a connection with Putin, but what is Putin's interest in opposing Article 13? If anything, I'd expect him to support it, hoping to ruin European internet access.

kriive 8y ago

You are not required to pledge which politician you are going to vote in the next EU elections. The purpose for this is to facilitate contact between you and a local politician who has not publicly declared his/her vote intentions on article 13 yet. Your job is to convince him/her to vote against article 13. I understand that the title is a little misleading, but come on! P.S. I'm italian too.

lostjohnny 8y ago
I will never vote for somebody who's opposing to a free EU Besides, as a long time activist for internet freedom, I agree that something like article 13 is urgently needed. There is no freedom without protection. What EU is trying to do is to protect the small local EU actors against the tech giants from outside EU.
- jononor 8y ago
  How is Article 13 helping small local EU actors?
  - lostjohnny 8y ago
    > Platforms run by startups (small and micro-sized businesses) are exempted from the law. > Licenses that platforms take out cover uploads by their users, as long as they act non-commercially or “don’t generate significant revenues” > Uploaders can complain about blocked uploads and request impartial, human review. (it means real justice, not Facebook's justice or Twitter justice or youTube's justice) Believe it or not, the platforms are already liable in case of legal infringement, it's not really different from before. Right now YouTube just get away with it because "we have too much content to check". The small players don't because, well, they are too small to even get a chance to fight.
    - jononor 8y ago
      No, platforms run by startups are not exempted. The criteria for exception are: Available to the public for less than 3 years AND Annual turnover below €10 million AND Fewer than 5 million unique monthly visitors So any "for-profit" site which is more than 3 years old will need to implement upload filters.

piokoch 8y ago

"BTW they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so" I am really curious why Putin would care about that? How this law affects Russia?

lostjohnny 8y ago
Easy: they are winning the information warfare and don't want to be stopped. Fake news and propaganda are one obvious target of article 13.
ocdtrekkie 8y ago
FWIW, at least in the US, Russia has been seen promoting both sides of conflicts that get people riled up politically online. The goal may not be "to support Article 13", but "cause discord and strife regarding Article 13".
- RobertoG 8y ago
  Putin is doing a really bad job, nobody cares.
  - mcv 8y ago
    He was pretty successful with the Brexit, though.

YinglingLight 8y ago

You sold me

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

Do you get the option to vote blank? I'd go for that instead; choosing the lesser evil (or greater in this case?) should never be mandatory.

lostjohnny 8y ago
I'm not sure what I'm voting yet, but I'm sure I'll vote for a stronger EU, not a weaker EU. The blank option is of course possible, but I do not like it. I consider it the lesser evil.