I promise, they become practically invisible at some point :) And, usually if you count them compared to similar code in a c-like language, using data/markup fr

I promise, they become practically invisible at some point :) And, usually if you count them compared to similar code in a c-like language, using data/markup from any popular format (xml, json, html), they'll be very close. Definitely far less when it comes to HTML vs. Hiccup. I jump around between C#, JS, HTML, XML, JSON, JSX, CSS, SQL and Clojure all day long. I have to do the non-Clojure stuff a lot more and have been doing them decades longer, after just a few weeks of getting used to it, Clojure would be my first choice.