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The cost savings have never been proven. If anything, they're proven to be miscalculated every time someones gives his numbers. Self hosting is doable up to 2
by user5994461 8y ago
The cost savings have never been proven. If anything, they're proven to be miscalculated every time someones gives his numbers.
Self hosting is doable up to 2 or 3 servers with a very few services. Beyond that it's really suffering from the lack of tooling, the lack of isolation and the lead time of weeks to get anything more in place.
DELL wants to re verify by phone 3 times before they bill or ship anything. Don't ask me why, I don't know, I keep begging them to stop doing that.
I've had the API down about 4 times in a year, always for specific types of instance, if I remember the count well. Never more than a few hours. It's nothing in comparison to the weeks it takes to ship and setup physical hardware.
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- pmoriarty 8y ago"Self hosting is doable up to 2 or 3 servers with a very few services. Beyond that it's really suffering from the lack of tooling, the lack of isolation and the lead time of weeks to get anything more in place." There are plenty of companies with their own datacenters of hundreds or even thousands of machines. Yes, these companies usually have deep pockets and their own dedicated staff to take care of these servers. This is how it was done before AWS existed, and is likely to continue long after AWS ceases to exist.
- scarface74 8y agoAnd that’s just the point. AWS lets you not only cut down on “dedicated” staff. You can also share a lot of the staff you do need by using a Managed Service Provider.
- snark42 8y ago> DELL wants to re verify by phone 3 times before they bill or ship anything. Don't ask me why, I don't know, I keep begging them to stop doing that. You need to get a Dell sales rep you deal with everytime you order. You'll get better pricing too.
- nasalgoat 8y agoFunny, I managed to run a globally-dispersed on-prem system with over 300 individual physical machines (well, blades in racks) with one other guy no problem for many years. I was dealing with four different hosting providers doing remote hands and never had any issues whatsoever. About the most complicated tooling we had was Anaconda. I think I lost three hard drives in that time and all three were hotswapped with zero downtime under warranty. No other failures. And that's not an outlier - I've been doing this 25+ years and the hardware failure rate has been pretty consistently low.
- user5994461 8y agoWell, you're either incredibly lucky or you have zero monitoring and failures have no impact. I couldn't imagine having to manage 300 physical servers in a team of two. The hardware, OS and networking alone are more than a full time job with 24/7 oncall expectations. In fact that's why I don't do this anymore. Pretty sure my current company had more failed hard drives this month than you all these years. I remember a shipment of servers once with more dead motherboards than that.
- nasalgoat 8y agoI bought all brand-new Dell blade servers so that's probably the main reason it was fine. IP-based kickstart boot, anaconda provisioning, it only took one person to monitor a server's setup. The point is that managing on-prem equipment is the easiest its ever been. When I started the ratio of admin to box was 1:50, now it's easily 1:300.
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- eastern 8y agoSimilar experience here roughly, albeit mine is at a smaller scale. The key phrase in your post is 'doing this 25+ years'. What you're providing is the /confidence/ that you can do it. Most outfits nowadays probably have no one who has that.