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>we live in a culture of intolerance This is quite the theory - do you have more backing other than the single instance you've just quoted? And what is "intole

>we live in a culture of intolerance This is quite the theory - do you have more backing other than the single instance you've just quoted? And what is "intolerance" and why is this "bad"?

reaperducer 8y ago
You're asking for a lot in a very small space. HN isn't the proper forum to discuss this, and I can't take that much time away from work to educate you. If you can't see it for yourself, then there's nothing I can do for you.
- komali2 8y ago
  That makes a lot of sense to me, so I'm curious why you lobbed the theory over the wall at a public forum with no intention of defending it. Would you believe me if I told you "we live in the greatest age of free speech in human history - our societies are more tolerant than ever before?" No? Well, I've given as much argument as you, so I suppose we are at an impasse.
zeveb 8y ago
> > we live in a culture of intolerance > This is quite the theory - do you have more backing other than the single instance you've just quoted? Not the OP, but I recently saw this comment: > I never used the word tolerant but on that note, I don't think morally wrong views should be tolerated. The author was one komali2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19230409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19230409
- komali2 8y ago
  Excellent diving in! I believe you are accusing me of hypocrisy - could you expand on this? I'm very interested if I can be caught out in fallacy, given how ardently I challenge fallacy when I find it. To note - literally, I did not use the word "tolerant" in the previous post, and someone made an argument based off a strange assumption that I did. I don't believe racism should be tolerated. Does that thus mean we live in an intolerant society? If I claimed my opinion set the cultural Zeitgeist, would you not accuse me of great arrogance?
  - zeveb 8y ago
    I don't think that you're a hypocrite; I think that you're honest about your intolerance. But you're not the only one, and I think that you are an example of our current Zeitgeist, which is — I believe — one of remarkable intolerance for opposing points of view. Granted, we're all intolerant of something; the question is where we draw the line. I think that for quite awhile in the 80s and 90s the line was high, but now it's very very low in comparison.
    - komali2 8y ago
      Maybe it would help to define "intolerant?" For example, I don't believe racists shouldn't be harmed for their beliefs, but I think their beliefs should be called out as harmful and immoral at every opportunity. That is what I mean by "intolerant." Do you have a different idea?
      - zeveb 8y ago
        I would call that tolerant, as opposed to accepting or celebratory.

>we live in a culture of intolerance This is quite the theory - do you have more backing other than the single instance you've just quoted? And what is "intolerance" and why is this "bad"?

reaperducer 8y ago

You're asking for a lot in a very small space. HN isn't the proper forum to discuss this, and I can't take that much time away from work to educate you. If you can't see it for yourself, then there's nothing I can do for you.

komali2 8y ago
That makes a lot of sense to me, so I'm curious why you lobbed the theory over the wall at a public forum with no intention of defending it. Would you believe me if I told you "we live in the greatest age of free speech in human history - our societies are more tolerant than ever before?" No? Well, I've given as much argument as you, so I suppose we are at an impasse.

zeveb 8y ago

> > we live in a culture of intolerance > This is quite the theory - do you have more backing other than the single instance you've just quoted? Not the OP, but I recently saw this comment: > I never used the word tolerant but on that note, I don't think morally wrong views should be tolerated. The author was one komali2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19230409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19230409

komali2 8y ago
Excellent diving in! I believe you are accusing me of hypocrisy - could you expand on this? I'm very interested if I can be caught out in fallacy, given how ardently I challenge fallacy when I find it. To note - literally, I did not use the word "tolerant" in the previous post, and someone made an argument based off a strange assumption that I did. I don't believe racism should be tolerated. Does that thus mean we live in an intolerant society? If I claimed my opinion set the cultural Zeitgeist, would you not accuse me of great arrogance?
- zeveb 8y ago
  I don't think that you're a hypocrite; I think that you're honest about your intolerance. But you're not the only one, and I think that you are an example of our current Zeitgeist, which is — I believe — one of remarkable intolerance for opposing points of view. Granted, we're all intolerant of something; the question is where we draw the line. I think that for quite awhile in the 80s and 90s the line was high, but now it's very very low in comparison.
  - komali2 8y ago
    Maybe it would help to define "intolerant?" For example, I don't believe racists shouldn't be harmed for their beliefs, but I think their beliefs should be called out as harmful and immoral at every opportunity. That is what I mean by "intolerant." Do you have a different idea?
    - zeveb 8y ago
      I would call that tolerant, as opposed to accepting or celebratory.