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> No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. How is that possible. If you are educated to love someone

> No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. How is that possible. If you are educated to love someone as your dearest, how would you not taking ill if someone else is mocking that person. It's a separate issue that if that education is good or bad. But you got to set your context right: no feeling is automatically born, it's from experience. > but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh... Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact. Let me tell you, a random tier-3 dota player from a SEA pro team, "kuku", said some racial slang on a pub game. And then he was threatened to death, and so many people voiced their angry that the Dota2 maker, Valve, has to officially ban that player so that he wont enter the country and causes unnecessary issues for the company (well, you know any company bend to profits). Do not paraphrase what you know to other nations, especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago.

komali2 8y ago
>especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago. Can you expand on the relevance of this? It seems you're implying that your regional history and culture is somehow older/better than anyone else's. That would be silly - European culture extends so far back their early governments were eloping with Egyptian Pharos. It's also silly because you and I have nothing at all to do with our country's history - it happened before we were born, and we didn't get a choice of nationhood.
- justicezyx 8y ago
  I said different, long history implies a long different paths. PS: I cannot help hn visitors are getting more and more narrow minded. The discussion is becoming more and more laborious as more and more good intended contexts have to be explicitly called out to avoid meaningless emotional damage repair.
  - komali2 8y ago
    > long different paths. Sure, but you were implying the OP knew less than you, simply because you are (I assume) Chinese. This is a remarkable claim to make on the internet - the OP could be a Chinese historian steeped in far more history than yourself. It's just a strange thing to say so I wanted to call it out. >Narrow minded Who here has been narrow minded and in what way? When I asked why it's acceptable for Chinese netizens to downvote a game to oblivion because the game has an easter egg calling Xi Jinping "Winnie the Pooh," but not acceptable for GAP to release a proper map of the PRC on their sweaters (that doesn't include Taiwan), you answered that I was "talking out of context." I would argue in this thread you have been narrow-minded, literally "unwilling to see the other side of the argument."
    - justicezyx 8y ago
      Well, the op said something that is clearly misrepresentation of Chinese ethos.
gpm 8y ago
> How is that possible. Because we view the right of free political speech as vastly more important that peoples feelings. I'm not saying people don't get their feelings hurt over political speech, they do. I'm saying that it doesn't matter and the speaker doesn't have to change what they are saying as a result. Per typical western values anyways, you are of course free to disagree. That doesn't make people racist, it has nothing to do with race (or nationality/political association/anything else). > Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact. No. This is wrong in a few ways - Accepting a random internet persona's statements as truth without evidence is obviously ridiculous - particularly when there are known to be paid actors influencing the discussion. - Lack of first hand experience does not mean you can't make reasonable inferences about the situation. - One persons on the ground experience does not generalize to a billion people. That said, I don't really particularly care to debate whether or not a substantial number of peoples feelings were hurt. I don't think it's important and I don't think it's a discussion that is likely to result in any useful progress in anyone's understanding of the situation.

komali2 8y ago

>especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago. Can you expand on the relevance of this? It seems you're implying that your regional history and culture is somehow older/better than anyone else's. That would be silly - European culture extends so far back their early governments were eloping with Egyptian Pharos. It's also silly because you and I have nothing at all to do with our country's history - it happened before we were born, and we didn't get a choice of nationhood.

justicezyx 8y ago
I said different, long history implies a long different paths. PS: I cannot help hn visitors are getting more and more narrow minded. The discussion is becoming more and more laborious as more and more good intended contexts have to be explicitly called out to avoid meaningless emotional damage repair.
- komali2 8y ago
  > long different paths. Sure, but you were implying the OP knew less than you, simply because you are (I assume) Chinese. This is a remarkable claim to make on the internet - the OP could be a Chinese historian steeped in far more history than yourself. It's just a strange thing to say so I wanted to call it out. >Narrow minded Who here has been narrow minded and in what way? When I asked why it's acceptable for Chinese netizens to downvote a game to oblivion because the game has an easter egg calling Xi Jinping "Winnie the Pooh," but not acceptable for GAP to release a proper map of the PRC on their sweaters (that doesn't include Taiwan), you answered that I was "talking out of context." I would argue in this thread you have been narrow-minded, literally "unwilling to see the other side of the argument."
  - justicezyx 8y ago
    Well, the op said something that is clearly misrepresentation of Chinese ethos.

gpm 8y ago

> How is that possible. Because we view the right of free political speech as vastly more important that peoples feelings. I'm not saying people don't get their feelings hurt over political speech, they do. I'm saying that it doesn't matter and the speaker doesn't have to change what they are saying as a result. Per typical western values anyways, you are of course free to disagree. That doesn't make people racist, it has nothing to do with race (or nationality/political association/anything else). > Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact. No. This is wrong in a few ways - Accepting a random internet persona's statements as truth without evidence is obviously ridiculous - particularly when there are known to be paid actors influencing the discussion. - Lack of first hand experience does not mean you can't make reasonable inferences about the situation. - One persons on the ground experience does not generalize to a billion people. That said, I don't really particularly care to debate whether or not a substantial number of peoples feelings were hurt. I don't think it's important and I don't think it's a discussion that is likely to result in any useful progress in anyone's understanding of the situation.