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Or Pony is not ready for the world. I mean, they don't even have arithmetic operator precedences [1]. If you're doing things concurrently it must be something

Or Pony is not ready for the world. I mean, they don't even have arithmetic operator precedences [1]. If you're doing things concurrently it must be something uber-important, like censoring cat pictures, but apparently not arithmetics. [1] https://github.com/aksh98/Pony_Documentation#precedence https://github.com/aksh98/Pony_Documentation#precedence

coldtea 8y ago
>Or Pony is not ready for the world. I mean, they don't even have arithmetic operator precedences Many languages don't have arithmetic operator precedence (Smalltalk, Lisp, etc) and that's fine. It's not some feature that's missing, it's a design choice.
- tempodox 8y ago
  In Lisp and Smalltalk it's obvious enough how composite expressions are evaluated, and they don't have the usual infix syntax to begin with. Pony does and the different precedences are just a bad surprise. As far as that's a design decision, I'd call it bad design.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >In Lisp and Smalltalk it's obvious enough how composite expressions are evaluated, and they don't have the usual infix syntax to begin with. That's Lisp. In Smalltalk they do (have the usual infix syntax).
    - kazinator 8y ago
      > have the usual infix syntax Isn't it the case that all operators in Smalltalk have the same precedence and left-to-right associativity? That's not "the usual" infix syntax.
      - coldtea 8y ago
        Usual referring to the mere "infix syntax" part (as opposed to some other kind of syntax that isn't infix). Not to having "infix syntax plus the associativity / precedence you get in C". We've already established that it doesn't have the usual precedence. The distinction was with e.g. Lisp which has a prefix syntax (polish notation), and other more exotic styles.
mcguire 8y ago
If you're going to complain about that, you might as well mention that the run-time system puts the terminal into a weird, pseudo-raw state that makes stdin/stdout act kind of funny, if you're not expecting it. Does have a nice readline integration, though.

coldtea 8y ago

>Or Pony is not ready for the world. I mean, they don't even have arithmetic operator precedences Many languages don't have arithmetic operator precedence (Smalltalk, Lisp, etc) and that's fine. It's not some feature that's missing, it's a design choice.

tempodox 8y ago
In Lisp and Smalltalk it's obvious enough how composite expressions are evaluated, and they don't have the usual infix syntax to begin with. Pony does and the different precedences are just a bad surprise. As far as that's a design decision, I'd call it bad design.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >In Lisp and Smalltalk it's obvious enough how composite expressions are evaluated, and they don't have the usual infix syntax to begin with. That's Lisp. In Smalltalk they do (have the usual infix syntax).
  - kazinator 8y ago
    > have the usual infix syntax Isn't it the case that all operators in Smalltalk have the same precedence and left-to-right associativity? That's not "the usual" infix syntax.
    - coldtea 8y ago
      Usual referring to the mere "infix syntax" part (as opposed to some other kind of syntax that isn't infix). Not to having "infix syntax plus the associativity / precedence you get in C". We've already established that it doesn't have the usual precedence. The distinction was with e.g. Lisp which has a prefix syntax (polish notation), and other more exotic styles.

mcguire 8y ago

If you're going to complain about that, you might as well mention that the run-time system puts the terminal into a weird, pseudo-raw state that makes stdin/stdout act kind of funny, if you're not expecting it. Does have a nice readline integration, though.