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> "I mean, I'd love a beachfront property in Maui but we can't all have that" The person you're replying to is basically saying: "having a place you can stay i
by uasm 8y ago
> "I mean, I'd love a beachfront property in Maui but we can't all have that"
The person you're replying to is basically saying: "having a place you can stay in, to keep you alive and going rather than homeless and broken, a safety net in essence - should be a right". Your response: "but we can't hand over free beachfront properties in Maui for everyone".
You're diverting the discussion ("but look at what communism did to Venezuela"). This isn't about free beachfront properties or luxury homes in Maui. This is about a single bedroom apartment with the most basic of utilities for people that wouldn't otherwise have the money or means to afford anything better: students, older folks, sick people, people that face hardships.
- erik_seaberg 8y agoThis isn't just about having shelter, this is about having it in Berlin specifically. Who is entitled to that? The answer can't be "everyone".
- pell 8y agoSo people with money are entitled to it then?
- ghostwriter 8y agoThere's no entitlement in trades between landlords and people with money - everything happens on mutually beneficial terms. Landlords own property by the right of their investment into it, which was also a mutually beneficial transaction between them and the developers who built it and got rewarded for their work.
- pell 8y agoYes, these are the rules of a free market. But if a society or a governing body has additional priorities, rules can be added to such a framework. So, in the end it actually is a question about entitlement. Is a landlord entitled to rent to the highest bidder or not. I'm not saying I'm necessarily entirely against this concept, but I doubt it should be the default situation.
- berlinerluft 8y agoThey are not entitled to it, they PAY for it. Amazing concept, I know.
- pell 8y agoI don't understand why you need to be obnoxiously sarcastic here. There are quite a few situations where governments set limits on how much a good can be priced at. It definitely is entitlement to be able to rent to the highest bidder.
- berlinerluft 8y agoIt's only entitlement if you come from a socialist perspective and think property is a frivolous concept.
- pell 8y agoGermany - like many other countries - is not a libertarian state. Pricing caps are not new here, underpricing and overpricing are defined and limited in certain scenarios and for a number of goods like doctor or lawyer fees, medication, books, your ISP, etc. Obviously one can debate such decisions and their merit but if you simply reduce this to having a "frivolous concept of property" it's difficult to have a conversation with you because it seems like you're choosing to be destructive instead of using arguments.
- berlinerluft 8y agoTo simplify: to be entitled to something and to pay for it are some very different things. I'd argue that somebody who claims wealthy people paying for stuff is the same as entitlement is the person who is actually destructive. As for the other German laws: I can't think of anything good that has come from them. Socialism has a way to sneak up on countries. That's all there is to it.
- pell 8y ago
- anoncake 8y ago> Who is entitled to that? People whose home is Berlin, for starters.
- berlinerluft 8y agoNo he doesn't. People get worked up about having to pay high rents in attractive locations (Berlin, or San Francisco, and so on). There are actually places in Germany where it is difficult to find tenants and houses decay because nobody wants to live in them. This is ALL about the beachfront property in Maui. That is the whole issue. And frankly, as I personally didn't luck out to get one of those dirt cheap apartments in the center of Berlin, I don't quite see why I should consider other people to be entitled to it.