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> believes conspiracy theories about spy microchips in mainboards. You mean not everyone believes the cold, hard truth? That's unfortunate, because most of u
by ionised 8y ago
> believes conspiracy theories about spy microchips in mainboards.
You mean not everyone believes the cold, hard truth?
That's unfortunate, because most of us here saw the evidence of this taking place.
- fixermark 8y agoInteresting. Can you provide a source?
- chopin 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Claims_that_ME_is_a_backdoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Claims...
- Dahoon 8y agoHow is that a chip in a mainboard? The mainboard story was a propaganda piece in Bloomberg aimed at China.
- chopin 8y agoAfaik the processor is a chip on the mainboard. I personally don't care which part of the mainboard carries the backdoor.
- fixermark 8y agoWith respect, what you linked to is a conspiracy theory that the ME is used in ways other than explicitly stated by Intel and unsupported by any evidence other than allegation.
- acct1771 8y ago"Can be used in ways other than explicitly stated" quickly turns into "is used": "https://hackaday.com/2017/12/07/another-defeat-of-the-intel-management-engine/ https://hackaday.com/2017/12/07/another-defeat-of-the-intel-... "The Intel Management Engine with its proprietary firmware has complete access to and control over the PC: it can power on or shut down the PC, read all open files, examine all running applications, track all keys pressed and mouse movements, and even capture or display images on the screen. And it has a network interface that is demonstrably insecure, which can allow an attacker on the network to inject rootkits that completely compromise the PC and can report to the attacker all activities performed on the PC. It is a threat to freedom, security, and privacy that can't be ignored." - Hackaday
- chopin 8y agoA part of my machine which I have no control over and which I cannot remove is a backdoor. Some would call that even malware. I don't care whether it has been solely used for the intended purpose which I can't even verify.
- ionised 8y agoThe Snowden leaks. We saw photographs of this taking place in what looked like an assembly line or distribution centre, along with accompanying text from internal NSA presentation slides.
- TomMarius 8y agoIf you're talking about Intel ME, just use AMD or ARM.
- thg 8y agoBoth have their own ME equivalent with ARM TrustZone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_TrustZone#TrustZone_(for_Cortex-A_profile) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_TrustZone#TrustZone_(for_C...
- TomMarius 8y agoI thought there is a great level of control over these and none of these run Minix and connect to the network. The actual functionality that ME is supposed to provide is purposeful.
- Dahoon 8y agoNo one outside of Bloomberg has seen any evidence of mainboard spy chips. You must be thinking about CPUs.
- ionised 8y agoNo, I'm thinking about what we read in the Snowden leaks (if you bothered reading them).
- Dahoon 8y agoI did read them. Which part are you referring to? If it is GODSURGE then it is malware in the BIOS used by the NSA. I have seen nothing about China spying via motherboards, outside the propaganda hit piece Bloomberg wrote which everyone (even FBI and Amazon, etc) dismissed as total bullcrap.