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The nature of open source development is there are duplicates. The distribution usually takes chooses from the alternatives the better option and makes it the d

The nature of open source development is there are duplicates. The distribution usually takes chooses from the alternatives the better option and makes it the default. In the GPU driver issue you are raising what is the problem. Fedora comes with nouveau out of the box and you can install an alternative very easily. You may have a gripe but proliferation of alternatives is an unusual gripe, there are multiple browsers music players videos players file editors and even multiple DE options I guarantee if there was one music player option there would be a lot of people unhappy and a new project starter immediately

nitrogen 8y ago
I've been using Linux on the desktop since Mandrake was a thing; if there's one thing I'm tired of it's having the "choice" of five broken implementations of an app rather than just one that works (the reverse is also annoying, when one broken monolith crowds out five working predecessors).
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  As someone who also uses Linux since Mandrake, I am tired of people telling me there should be just one desktop, file manager etc. There needs to be competition in FLOSS also, nowdays I use both desktop environments, depending on the hardware and mix and match components. For example I prefer Okular even on GNOME. If people so desire a 'unified experience', you have Windows/macOS. I came to Linux as a refugee from these and am tired of the attempts to pull it in the same direction. Not everything has to be the same, in fact that's a terrible world to live in. I am also tired of people saying things on Linux are "broken", they aren't any more broken than on macOS/Windows. Granted, you may have to get compatible hardware, which is only fair considering that's what you're doing when purchasing a Win/macOS machine and yet on Linux there's somehow this grand expectation that any random cram HW should just work. You don't expect anything not designed with macOS in mind to work there, so why Linux? I use macOS at work and experience not so rare kernel panics. There was also just a bug in Premiere blowing up speakers on the MBP, being allowed to log in without a password, APFS logging encryption password in plain text etc. Yet somehow no-one is as strict on that as insisting on Linux somehow 'not working' even as am sitting here being productive on it for over a decade.
- alxlaz 8y ago
  I've been using Linux since about the same time, and while I find the five-broken-implementations thing rather exhausting at times, I am more than thankful for it. It's one of the reasons why Linux (and FOSS software) is so damn useful. Just look at Windows land, where they do have one implementation to rule them all, more or less (Windows 10). Everyone who dislikes its telemetry or almost touch-only interface is either stuck with Windows 7, which won't be an option for much longer, or is stuck venting against Microsoft and grumpily installing hacks like ClassicShell to make things a little more bearable. When Gnome 3 came up, everyone who liked the new direction kept using it, everyone else moved to Cinnamon or Mate (or XFCE, KDE...) It's not just about competition, it's about being able to pursue different visions and different objectives. Users only see this in terms of choice, but there's a great deal of value about it for developers as well.
  - bluedino 8y ago
    I really want to know how GNOME 3 even saw the light of day, and why distros like Fedora even went with it. Unusable.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Easy, Red-Hat used to pay the salaries for a big chunk of GTK/GNOME developers.
      - AsyncAwait 8y ago
        GNOME 3 is also far from universally deemed unusable, (I use it daily with great success), despite what the propaganda would have you believe.
        pjmlp 8y ago
        I tried to use GNOME 3 after Ubuntu dropped Unity, and it never performed like Unity, hence I am now using XFCE. The latest updates, show there is still work left to do in this area, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-25th-february-2019/9959/2 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-25th-february-2019/995...

nitrogen 8y ago

I've been using Linux on the desktop since Mandrake was a thing; if there's one thing I'm tired of it's having the "choice" of five broken implementations of an app rather than just one that works (the reverse is also annoying, when one broken monolith crowds out five working predecessors).

AsyncAwait 8y ago
As someone who also uses Linux since Mandrake, I am tired of people telling me there should be just one desktop, file manager etc. There needs to be competition in FLOSS also, nowdays I use both desktop environments, depending on the hardware and mix and match components. For example I prefer Okular even on GNOME. If people so desire a 'unified experience', you have Windows/macOS. I came to Linux as a refugee from these and am tired of the attempts to pull it in the same direction. Not everything has to be the same, in fact that's a terrible world to live in. I am also tired of people saying things on Linux are "broken", they aren't any more broken than on macOS/Windows. Granted, you may have to get compatible hardware, which is only fair considering that's what you're doing when purchasing a Win/macOS machine and yet on Linux there's somehow this grand expectation that any random cram HW should just work. You don't expect anything not designed with macOS in mind to work there, so why Linux? I use macOS at work and experience not so rare kernel panics. There was also just a bug in Premiere blowing up speakers on the MBP, being allowed to log in without a password, APFS logging encryption password in plain text etc. Yet somehow no-one is as strict on that as insisting on Linux somehow 'not working' even as am sitting here being productive on it for over a decade.
alxlaz 8y ago
I've been using Linux since about the same time, and while I find the five-broken-implementations thing rather exhausting at times, I am more than thankful for it. It's one of the reasons why Linux (and FOSS software) is so damn useful. Just look at Windows land, where they do have one implementation to rule them all, more or less (Windows 10). Everyone who dislikes its telemetry or almost touch-only interface is either stuck with Windows 7, which won't be an option for much longer, or is stuck venting against Microsoft and grumpily installing hacks like ClassicShell to make things a little more bearable. When Gnome 3 came up, everyone who liked the new direction kept using it, everyone else moved to Cinnamon or Mate (or XFCE, KDE...) It's not just about competition, it's about being able to pursue different visions and different objectives. Users only see this in terms of choice, but there's a great deal of value about it for developers as well.
- bluedino 8y ago
  I really want to know how GNOME 3 even saw the light of day, and why distros like Fedora even went with it. Unusable.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Easy, Red-Hat used to pay the salaries for a big chunk of GTK/GNOME developers.
    - AsyncAwait 8y ago
      GNOME 3 is also far from universally deemed unusable, (I use it daily with great success), despite what the propaganda would have you believe.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        I tried to use GNOME 3 after Ubuntu dropped Unity, and it never performed like Unity, hence I am now using XFCE. The latest updates, show there is still work left to do in this area, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-25th-february-2019/9959/2 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/monday-25th-february-2019/995...