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>We are deeply sorry for hurting everybody,” Damn. While I get the position of the Taiwanese, I sometimes wish they'd send more middle fingers at the mainland.

>We are deeply sorry for hurting everybody,” Damn. While I get the position of the Taiwanese, I sometimes wish they'd send more middle fingers at the mainland. "yeah, xi jinping is a dumpling, fuckm, we apologise for nothing." As if Taiwan is an existential threat to prc by hurling insults as dramatic as "Winnie the Pooh" across the strait. Just seems like more bullying to me.

bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago
It's definitely bullying but it's also definitely a predictable response from the PRC given the current political climate.
justicezyx 8y ago
So if mainlanders' feeling are hurt, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings, just because they are from mainland China? Does this count as racism at all? Or it still counts as mainlanders are not applicable to most usual social rules?
- yumraj 8y ago
  Both Chinese and Taiwanese are the same race, so how is this racism?
- deleted 8y ago
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- komali2 8y ago
  Sure, I hear you, and I appreciate your appeal to fairness, because I was going to bring it up too - why is it acceptable for China to demand airlines not even recognize the sovereignty of the nation of Taiwan, but it's not acceptable for Taiwanese citizens to call the man leading the country bullying them "Winnie the Pooh?"
  - justicezyx 8y ago
    > why is it acceptable for China to demand airlines not even recognize the sovereignty of the nation of Taiwan Who accept that? I as one growing up from mainland does not think that's fair. It's just the country showing its power and influence. Your question should be framed on the thread, not extending beyond what's currently being discussed.
    - komali2 8y ago
      >Who accept that? Tons of PRC citizens. Why haven't they "review bombed" their own government? Why did they flock to the internet to yell at GAP when it released a sweater with the proper map of PRC on it, with no Taiwan displayed? As for context, no discussion happens without it. We're not doing logarithms here, we're talking about geopolitics. I reject the notion that I should keep my discussion "framed."
- soulchild37 8y ago
  Mainlanders have been destroying landscape / treating locals badly when visiting foreign country, talking about feelings, huh.
- gpm 8y ago
  No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. It not only has nothing to do with race, it has nothing to do with national boundary, political association, or anything else. It's just a thing that we (westerners) take as a fundamental right. It's irrelevant, but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh...
  - jay_kyburz 8y ago
    Yeah, Trump is regularly compared to a lot worse.
  - justicezyx 8y ago
    > No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. How is that possible. If you are educated to love someone as your dearest, how would you not taking ill if someone else is mocking that person. It's a separate issue that if that education is good or bad. But you got to set your context right: no feeling is automatically born, it's from experience. > but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh... Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact. Let me tell you, a random tier-3 dota player from a SEA pro team, "kuku", said some racial slang on a pub game. And then he was threatened to death, and so many people voiced their angry that the Dota2 maker, Valve, has to officially ban that player so that he wont enter the country and causes unnecessary issues for the company (well, you know any company bend to profits). Do not paraphrase what you know to other nations, especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago.
    - komali2 8y ago
      >especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago. Can you expand on the relevance of this? It seems you're implying that your regional history and culture is somehow older/better than anyone else's. That would be silly - European culture extends so far back their early governments were eloping with Egyptian Pharos. It's also silly because you and I have nothing at all to do with our country's history - it happened before we were born, and we didn't get a choice of nationhood.
z2 8y ago
When I buy a game, or any consumable for that matter, I'm not expecting angry rogue staff to hide political Easter eggs. There's a place for activism/satire, but perhaps not on the salary of a presumably neutral employer.
- jtms 8y ago
  What makes you so sure it was “rogue” staff that put the imagery in?
  - komali2 8y ago
    I believe the company put out a statement to that effect - they're casting blame on a single employee. Could just be damage control while they snigger behind their hands for all I know.
  - z2 8y ago
    That's what the article said, unless the developer made it up for damage control. I'm not defending the abhorrent overreacting that led to the company self-censoring. It's just, if the game makers scripted this and designed it intentionally it would be great and a whole different story. Otherwise it's kind of like buying a comic to find an artist hid animal rights messages in it. It doesn't mean I'm against animal rights, but it just feels unintentional, kind of like a bug.
- myrandomcomment 8y ago
  Easter eggs and the like are a very long and old tradition. Heck, there is even stuff one of my past employers shipped, including in production networking code. The customers that found it laughed quite hard and asked for the details. I suggest that you refrain from buying anything.
  - z2 8y ago
    This is going to sound like a killjoy, but it's all fun and games until an Easter egg unintentionally introduces a weak point. Microsoft made a point of banning them entirely, and high profile easter eggs these days are well designed and tested, not inserted by one person for kicks :)
duxup 8y ago
I guess I'd "enjoy" seeing it, but the folks who made the game have to live with the consequences. I'm not going to ask them to take that hit to amuse me.
peppatherappa 8y ago
I am Taiwanese who is currently studying in US college. I would like to say to hacker news: please stop supporting the Chinese government. Please try not to buy products from China. It is a bit harder, but it's possible. Last week I went to Fry's for a new pair of headphones, and it only took me a few tries before finding one made in Indonesia and another made in Thailand. If more of us do this, we can force more manufacturers to move out of China faster. Thank you.
- magicnmonkey 8y ago
  They all use many parts made in China, so what's the point? There is no way you can get a product which doesn't use Chinese parts as many rare metals are minned in large quantities (hences lower cost) in China only.
i_am_proteus 8y ago
Looks like PRC leadership just played perfectly into the hands of these ROC devs. Not only did they get free publicity, but they've gotten the communist party to publicly (and internationally) telegraph not just how petty they are, but also how much the communist government fears a threat to their power from within mainland China.
petre 8y ago
In reality China is the one bulying Taiwan through the one China policy, open threats, reminders to reunification (through force), military bases on shoals in the South China Sea etc.
- polotics 8y ago
  Yep. The best bit was a mainland military leader stating that anyone opposing the death of Taiwanese democracy is committing a war crime, hence deserving the death penalty. Xi is no Winnie the Pooh, and his lackeys are not happy piggies.

bitxbitxbitcoin 8y ago

It's definitely bullying but it's also definitely a predictable response from the PRC given the current political climate.

justicezyx 8y ago

So if mainlanders' feeling are hurt, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings, just because they are from mainland China? Does this count as racism at all? Or it still counts as mainlanders are not applicable to most usual social rules?

yumraj 8y ago
Both Chinese and Taiwanese are the same race, so how is this racism?
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komali2 8y ago
Sure, I hear you, and I appreciate your appeal to fairness, because I was going to bring it up too - why is it acceptable for China to demand airlines not even recognize the sovereignty of the nation of Taiwan, but it's not acceptable for Taiwanese citizens to call the man leading the country bullying them "Winnie the Pooh?"
- justicezyx 8y ago
  > why is it acceptable for China to demand airlines not even recognize the sovereignty of the nation of Taiwan Who accept that? I as one growing up from mainland does not think that's fair. It's just the country showing its power and influence. Your question should be framed on the thread, not extending beyond what's currently being discussed.
  - komali2 8y ago
    >Who accept that? Tons of PRC citizens. Why haven't they "review bombed" their own government? Why did they flock to the internet to yell at GAP when it released a sweater with the proper map of PRC on it, with no Taiwan displayed? As for context, no discussion happens without it. We're not doing logarithms here, we're talking about geopolitics. I reject the notion that I should keep my discussion "framed."
soulchild37 8y ago
Mainlanders have been destroying landscape / treating locals badly when visiting foreign country, talking about feelings, huh.
gpm 8y ago
No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. It not only has nothing to do with race, it has nothing to do with national boundary, political association, or anything else. It's just a thing that we (westerners) take as a fundamental right. It's irrelevant, but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh...
- jay_kyburz 8y ago
  Yeah, Trump is regularly compared to a lot worse.
- justicezyx 8y ago
  > No, if peoples feelings are hurt over political speech, it's fine to totally ignore their feelings. How is that possible. If you are educated to love someone as your dearest, how would you not taking ill if someone else is mocking that person. It's a separate issue that if that education is good or bad. But you got to set your context right: no feeling is automatically born, it's from experience. > but I also doubt that a substantial percentage of mainlanders actually have their feelings hurt by comparing the ruler to Winnie the Pooh... Well, if you are not from China, then do not doubt how I would quantify the impact. Let me tell you, a random tier-3 dota player from a SEA pro team, "kuku", said some racial slang on a pub game. And then he was threatened to death, and so many people voiced their angry that the Dota2 maker, Valve, has to officially ban that player so that he wont enter the country and causes unnecessary issues for the company (well, you know any company bend to profits). Do not paraphrase what you know to other nations, especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago.
  - komali2 8y ago
    >especially one that has their culture and history inherited since 2k+ years ago. Can you expand on the relevance of this? It seems you're implying that your regional history and culture is somehow older/better than anyone else's. That would be silly - European culture extends so far back their early governments were eloping with Egyptian Pharos. It's also silly because you and I have nothing at all to do with our country's history - it happened before we were born, and we didn't get a choice of nationhood.

z2 8y ago

When I buy a game, or any consumable for that matter, I'm not expecting angry rogue staff to hide political Easter eggs. There's a place for activism/satire, but perhaps not on the salary of a presumably neutral employer.

jtms 8y ago
What makes you so sure it was “rogue” staff that put the imagery in?
- komali2 8y ago
  I believe the company put out a statement to that effect - they're casting blame on a single employee. Could just be damage control while they snigger behind their hands for all I know.
- z2 8y ago
  That's what the article said, unless the developer made it up for damage control. I'm not defending the abhorrent overreacting that led to the company self-censoring. It's just, if the game makers scripted this and designed it intentionally it would be great and a whole different story. Otherwise it's kind of like buying a comic to find an artist hid animal rights messages in it. It doesn't mean I'm against animal rights, but it just feels unintentional, kind of like a bug.
myrandomcomment 8y ago
Easter eggs and the like are a very long and old tradition. Heck, there is even stuff one of my past employers shipped, including in production networking code. The customers that found it laughed quite hard and asked for the details. I suggest that you refrain from buying anything.
- z2 8y ago
  This is going to sound like a killjoy, but it's all fun and games until an Easter egg unintentionally introduces a weak point. Microsoft made a point of banning them entirely, and high profile easter eggs these days are well designed and tested, not inserted by one person for kicks :)

duxup 8y ago

I guess I'd "enjoy" seeing it, but the folks who made the game have to live with the consequences. I'm not going to ask them to take that hit to amuse me.

peppatherappa 8y ago

I am Taiwanese who is currently studying in US college. I would like to say to hacker news: please stop supporting the Chinese government. Please try not to buy products from China. It is a bit harder, but it's possible. Last week I went to Fry's for a new pair of headphones, and it only took me a few tries before finding one made in Indonesia and another made in Thailand. If more of us do this, we can force more manufacturers to move out of China faster. Thank you.

magicnmonkey 8y ago
They all use many parts made in China, so what's the point? There is no way you can get a product which doesn't use Chinese parts as many rare metals are minned in large quantities (hences lower cost) in China only.

i_am_proteus 8y ago

Looks like PRC leadership just played perfectly into the hands of these ROC devs. Not only did they get free publicity, but they've gotten the communist party to publicly (and internationally) telegraph not just how petty they are, but also how much the communist government fears a threat to their power from within mainland China.

petre 8y ago

In reality China is the one bulying Taiwan through the one China policy, open threats, reminders to reunification (through force), military bases on shoals in the South China Sea etc.

polotics 8y ago
Yep. The best bit was a mainland military leader stating that anyone opposing the death of Taiwanese democracy is committing a war crime, hence deserving the death penalty. Xi is no Winnie the Pooh, and his lackeys are not happy piggies.