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Amazon Prime delivery isn't reliable enough for those use cases anyway. Prime packages arrive late all the time. If you might die from a small delivery delay, y

Amazon Prime delivery isn't reliable enough for those use cases anyway. Prime packages arrive late all the time. If you might die from a small delivery delay, you need to order things earlier or find a different source.

Nomentatus 8y ago
Then please, please suggest an alternative. The truth about being disabled is that you are very often forced to "rely" on services that are not reliable for your use case; but they're still all you have. Disabled people are put in the position of risk constantly - risks others are oblivious to or cheerfully force them into. Why is so amazing or frivolous on my part to think that Amazon might plan in advance to ensure good services in case of accident, whether on the road or in the air? #ableism #disabilitydenial
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago
  There are well known ways to build reliable systems out of unreliable ones through the use of slack and redundancy. If you need something to live, you don't wait until you have a 48 hour supply and then rely on two day delivery, you keep a two week or more supply so that if delivery fails you have plenty of time to realize this and source it from somewhere else before it becomes an emergency. And if it does become an emergency, there are emergency services for that. Go to a hospital and they will have or fly in just about anything. This is almost certainly far more expensive than not running everything down to the wire to begin with, but at least you don't die.
  - Nomentatus 8y ago
    Wow. How often do I have to repeat that disabled people are not able-bodied and don't have the same choices the abled do. Disabled people rarely earn an income above poverty, they can't necessarily stock items (nor can needs always be anticipated.) They can't hire a service to shop for them. Again, what's my second source that delivers to my door? As for ER - seriously ill disabled people simply can't go to ER every time there's a problem that might go badly wrong - they don't have the health, and will also get black-balled by the ER if they do this too often, in which case the quality of service they get becomes abysmal. This is probably the most difficult, heart-breaking choice they face. With many health conditions, symptoms are so various that if you don't they don't show up at ER falsely fairly often you're risking your life. But if you do show up at ER frequently, that too risks your life, if you're labelled as a bad patient. Your comment blames the victim, repeatedly. Ableism all day long. Many health conditions include cognitive deficits, even if only from extreme fatigue. Not to mention that head injuries are a kind of disability, and social support for head injuries isn't better than for other disabilities, it's considerably worse. Again, I'm being swatted for suggesting that it might be a good thing for Amazon to plan around accidents. I'm very willing to believe that this doesn't affect able bodied people nearly as much as it affects many of the one in five Americans with a disability. Good on ya. Now open your hearts.
    - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
      There are dozens of services that will deliver to your door or via FedEx/UPS/DHL/USPS. It seems like your main complaint is that "guaranteed two day delivery" is a money back guarantee rather than an actual damages guarantee that would give suppliers a greater incentive to achieve 99.999999% reliability instead of 99%. But there are services that will satisfy those guarantees, and they're more expensive than Amazon precisely because they have to price in the cost of taking the steps necessary to achieve that level of reliability. "Fast, reliable, cheap; pick two" is not a conspiracy against the disabled.
      - daveFNbuck 8y ago
        "guaranteed two day delivery" is not a money back guarantee. It's just a slogan. Maybe half of my Prime packages make it to my door within two days. Amazon only really guarantees that you'll get the package eventually.
        AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        It's a money back guarantee because you can cancel/return the item and get your money back. They also happen to provide the same guarantee in the event you decide you don't want the item for other reasons.
        daveFNbuck 8y ago
        When a company tells me 2-day delivery is guaranteed or my money back, I expect to get my money back when the delivery takes longer than 2 days. I don't expect to have to return the item. What's the point of a guarantee if I'd be in the exact same situation without it?
        AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        Suppose you buy some balloons for a party that's in three days. They arrive in four days. By the time you receive them, the party's over and you have no use for them. If there was no delivery guarantee, you not only didn't have them when you needed them, now you do have them when you don't need them and are out the money. With the guarantee, you send them back and get a refund. It also allows you to send back items that arrive late even if you do still want them, allowing you to punish them by returning the item only to go buy it from a competitor.
- tzs 8y ago
  He did suggest an alternative: order earlier. Plane crashes are very rare, but train derailments are not. Unexpected bad weather closing off routes to trucks is not. Natural disasters closing roads and airports is not. Some small percentage of shipments will be delayed, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. If you need something by a hard deadline, and it is going to be shipped other than perhaps locally, then you must order early enough that if it is delayed you have time to seek an alternative source that can still make the deadline. If you use Prime two day shipping timed for delivery on your deadline, you will eventually be screwed because you won't find out about a shipment glitch until it is too late to switch to a backup other than picking up at a local store that stocks the item.

Nomentatus 8y ago

Then please, please suggest an alternative. The truth about being disabled is that you are very often forced to "rely" on services that are not reliable for your use case; but they're still all you have. Disabled people are put in the position of risk constantly - risks others are oblivious to or cheerfully force them into. Why is so amazing or frivolous on my part to think that Amazon might plan in advance to ensure good services in case of accident, whether on the road or in the air? #ableism #disabilitydenial

AnthonyMouse 8y ago
There are well known ways to build reliable systems out of unreliable ones through the use of slack and redundancy. If you need something to live, you don't wait until you have a 48 hour supply and then rely on two day delivery, you keep a two week or more supply so that if delivery fails you have plenty of time to realize this and source it from somewhere else before it becomes an emergency. And if it does become an emergency, there are emergency services for that. Go to a hospital and they will have or fly in just about anything. This is almost certainly far more expensive than not running everything down to the wire to begin with, but at least you don't die.
- Nomentatus 8y ago
  Wow. How often do I have to repeat that disabled people are not able-bodied and don't have the same choices the abled do. Disabled people rarely earn an income above poverty, they can't necessarily stock items (nor can needs always be anticipated.) They can't hire a service to shop for them. Again, what's my second source that delivers to my door? As for ER - seriously ill disabled people simply can't go to ER every time there's a problem that might go badly wrong - they don't have the health, and will also get black-balled by the ER if they do this too often, in which case the quality of service they get becomes abysmal. This is probably the most difficult, heart-breaking choice they face. With many health conditions, symptoms are so various that if you don't they don't show up at ER falsely fairly often you're risking your life. But if you do show up at ER frequently, that too risks your life, if you're labelled as a bad patient. Your comment blames the victim, repeatedly. Ableism all day long. Many health conditions include cognitive deficits, even if only from extreme fatigue. Not to mention that head injuries are a kind of disability, and social support for head injuries isn't better than for other disabilities, it's considerably worse. Again, I'm being swatted for suggesting that it might be a good thing for Amazon to plan around accidents. I'm very willing to believe that this doesn't affect able bodied people nearly as much as it affects many of the one in five Americans with a disability. Good on ya. Now open your hearts.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    There are dozens of services that will deliver to your door or via FedEx/UPS/DHL/USPS. It seems like your main complaint is that "guaranteed two day delivery" is a money back guarantee rather than an actual damages guarantee that would give suppliers a greater incentive to achieve 99.999999% reliability instead of 99%. But there are services that will satisfy those guarantees, and they're more expensive than Amazon precisely because they have to price in the cost of taking the steps necessary to achieve that level of reliability. "Fast, reliable, cheap; pick two" is not a conspiracy against the disabled.
    - daveFNbuck 8y ago
      "guaranteed two day delivery" is not a money back guarantee. It's just a slogan. Maybe half of my Prime packages make it to my door within two days. Amazon only really guarantees that you'll get the package eventually.
      - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        It's a money back guarantee because you can cancel/return the item and get your money back. They also happen to provide the same guarantee in the event you decide you don't want the item for other reasons.
        daveFNbuck 8y ago
        When a company tells me 2-day delivery is guaranteed or my money back, I expect to get my money back when the delivery takes longer than 2 days. I don't expect to have to return the item. What's the point of a guarantee if I'd be in the exact same situation without it?
        AnthonyMouse 8y ago
        Suppose you buy some balloons for a party that's in three days. They arrive in four days. By the time you receive them, the party's over and you have no use for them. If there was no delivery guarantee, you not only didn't have them when you needed them, now you do have them when you don't need them and are out the money. With the guarantee, you send them back and get a refund. It also allows you to send back items that arrive late even if you do still want them, allowing you to punish them by returning the item only to go buy it from a competitor.
tzs 8y ago
He did suggest an alternative: order earlier. Plane crashes are very rare, but train derailments are not. Unexpected bad weather closing off routes to trucks is not. Natural disasters closing roads and airports is not. Some small percentage of shipments will be delayed, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. If you need something by a hard deadline, and it is going to be shipped other than perhaps locally, then you must order early enough that if it is delayed you have time to seek an alternative source that can still make the deadline. If you use Prime two day shipping timed for delivery on your deadline, you will eventually be screwed because you won't find out about a shipment glitch until it is too late to switch to a backup other than picking up at a local store that stocks the item.